H&K rifles

[Sturnovik]

I just got my first AR and my buddy is interested in jumping on the rifle bandwagon but sufficed to say he cant afford a 416, let alone would spend that much and get the BB if its even able to be bought.

He doesn't mind the G3 style rifles and even the UMP style one with extended barrel for compliance. What are his options if he doesn't want to spend more than 1200.00? Is it even possible? He prefers to spend as little as he can since he wants to spend alot on ammo. He doesnt mind if its .308/5.56 etc....

[Sicarius]

If he is that budget minded. 308 is out of the question. At .60 cents a shot for surplus, the ammo will soon outcost the rifle.
In 223 options, he is pretty much limited to a vector v93. The rifle will run him around 1200 and he can pick up good surplus ammo at 300 dollars for 1k rounds.
SL8 will be out of the budget and so will the USC(civilian ump). He is pretty much limited to an HK clone. If the cost of 308 doesn't bother him, a PTR will fit in the 1200 budget.
Kevin

[Sturnovik]

If he is that budget minded. 308 is out of the question. At .60 cents a shot for surplus, the ammo will soon outcost the rifle.
In 223 options, he is pretty much limited to a vector v93. The rifle will run him around 1200 and he can pick up good surplus ammo at 300 dollars for 1k rounds.
SL8 will be out of the budget and so will the USC(civilian ump). He is pretty much limited to an HK clone. If the cost of 308 doesn't bother him, a PTR will fit in the 1200 budget.
Kevin

Yea I tried to talk him into something a little more affordable for his tax return but he really wants an HK. In any case, the V93 common, let alone mags for it?

[SunkenShadow]

The other option is a HK33/Century Arms version or something....though mags will cost him a pretty penny and it's not that great of a rifle from what i heard?

[MrPlink]

"i want one of the typically most expensive mil pattern firearms, but I dont want to pay for it"

[Sturnovik]

"i want one of the typically most expensive mil pattern firearms, but I dont want to pay for it"

Yea I know.....he's finally getting into rifles though so I'm trying to help him out with choosing. He says he's preferring an HK. Needless to say the only other consideration he says he'd try would be a FAL but he doesnt want a large barrel.

[Coldies]

A well built HK CLONE will always run a pretty penny. As mentioned above the cheapest will be around $1200 for a HK33 clone. On the other hand there is always the C93 which is CAI version and can be found for around $500-$700. I own one and after replacing the extractor spring it runs like a champ with whatever I feed it.

[Sturnovik]

A well built HK CLONE will always run a pretty penny. As mentioned above the cheapest will be around $1200 for a HK33 clone. On the other hand there is always the C93 which is CAI version and can be found for around $500-$700. I own one and after replacing the extractor spring it runs like a champ with whatever I feed it.

Without people jumping all over me for linking this, whats wrong with this if he wants to try out one? http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct802.aspx

I'm well aware its not made in Germany or anything but I was googling around and I heard a couple say they were pretty solid. It come with a BB and sounds like mags may be expensive but well yea....


He says he's leaning FAL or something else now, haha I dont think he realized how expensive HK's were to begin with, eh he'll get over it .

[Sicarius]

He has some expensive taste for not wanting to pay for it. hehe. The c93 is a gamble. Just assume that there is no warranty with the rifle when you get it and that it was put together by a bunch of monkeys. With that said I have several century firearms so I speak from experience. I wouldn't buy one given the chance for half the price of a quality version.
I understand the HK love that your friend has for I have my fair share but for somebody that doesn't seem to know rifles so well, it seems just like an attraction to the name. Anyways he has pretty much limited himself to Enterprise, Century, Vector and PTR. I would look into the PTR 91 line or Vector v93 personally. Enterprise FAL will fit the budget but again, 308 will burn a hole in his pocket if he is trying to be cheap. The FAL is not a cheap rifle and in most cases cost more than he is willing to spend... at least for a quality one.
Kevin

[Black Majik]

How about a HK USC? Not .556/.308 but it's all H&K and shoots a cost effective caliber. It's the cheapest HK rifle I can think of.

[Sturnovik]

I ran some of those ideas and prices by him and he's saying he's willing to give some parameters. 16 inch barrel, piston driven, something that can get a rail on the upper. He says he's just not keen on ar15's, but he's willing to try one. He just wants something not as common it sounds like.

[CAL.BAR]

Yeah, seriously, if he wants a cheap HK rifle he needs a time machine. (my first was an HK93 bought in 1987 with newspaper route money)

Since then, I don't think I've paid less than 2K to complete an HK rifle since.

Turners had the USC for $1,300 a while back, but they are horrible without the UMP conversion which will take the cost well over 2K.

In the end, if he wants a cheap rifle, get an AR or AK like the rest of the crowd. Save the HK for when he grows up and gets a real job.

[russ69]

If you want to play you have to pay. 1200 bucks will barely get you a good AR15.

[bender152]

Without people jumping all over me for linking this, whats wrong with this if he wants to try out one? http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct802.aspx

I've never owned one, but by many accounts, Century's build quality sucks.

If he wants a USC, that can be purchased close to his budget. But keep in mind, that is a completely different gun than an AR. Also, mags will cost $40-$50.

A PTR-91 would also be close to his budget. They've got a much better reputation than Century. However, as others have mentioned, he's gonna be paying $0.50 a round for plinking ammo.

[saki302]

Tell him to get a century CETME and send it to a gunsmith for a reliability tune/bolt gap fix.

When it's all done, he should be in it about $700-800. You *NEED* to get those checked out though, century is infamous for incompetency. Grinding the bolt head to achieve proper bolt gap is

-Dave