Hate for Bushmaster

[gh429]

I have a california legal version of the carbon 15 which I got after paying a heavy premium (almost $2k) because it was so new which I then modified to bullet button. Maybe 5000 rounds 6-7 years runs very well, 0 problems with the upper.

My only problem is on the lower that the trigger assembly bar keeps sliding out (which seems to happen on a lot of my rifles). Anyone know of a fix for this? I just ended up supergluing it haha.

[NHP1127]

Much of M4carbine.net is just chart fan boys in a jerk fest. Factually, when you think of how many Bushmasters have been produced over the years and their success in the market, they have done very well.

[TNP'R]

Much of M4carbine.net is just chart fan boys in a jerk fest. Factually, when you think of how many Bushmasters have been produced over the years and their success in the market, they have done very well.

I noticed that, if the chart says its not good then they will blast the company and whoever that buys something that doesnt conform to the chart.

[dieselpower]

My former agency bought a lot of Bushmasters in the last few years before I retired. Most of the rifles did not display any of the deficiencies shown in the m4carbine.net thread other than non-"F" marked front sight bases, but enough did that I spent some time fixing them. Other than parts breakage in the very well-used and not cleaned often enough range rifles, I can't recall any serious problems with them.

I don't have any hesitation about using BM rifles or parts.

The non-"F" marked FSB is a sales tactic Grant is using... or at least I think he might be or maybe not...read on...

Let me explain.

Colt changed the height of the FSB to account for the height different between the flat top & A2 at the rear BUIS. All other manufactures were caught between a rock and a hard place. Change the barrel inventory accounting for this, or change the Carry Handle or rear BUIS to account for this height difference. Being smart businessmen and not realizing unethical businessmen where going to use this against them, they decided to make two types of Carry Handle. One to go with an F marked and one to go with non-F marked. This way you can used an older Carbine Barrel with non-F marked FSB and install it on a flat top.

Now since Bushmaster had a HUGE inventory of barrels with pre-attached FSB, they decided the most cost effective way to deal with this was to shave the Carry Handle to account for the rifles FSB. They also manufactured higher Front post for those people who wanted to use the F-height rear BUIS.

So either Grant doesn't understand any of this and is clueless as to why there are different height FSB and BUIS......
.....OR.....
Grant knows this and uses this as leverage to push another brand of rifle.

You see when you either omit or pretend not to know the details behind something you can offer the situation as a negative.

Many people would agree Grant chooses to offer this and other things as a negative about brands he doesn't like....

I give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he just doesn't know any better..he's just a salesman who repeats what he is told.

[odysseus]

There is so much of a difference these days. Back in the 80-90's pretty much what I saw on the range (keep in mind I was a youngster) was Colt's, Bushmaster, and Armalite as what most people were shooting ARs in the public domain.

So much has changed today in manufacturers of ARs.

[HK Dave]

The "only" reason I hate Bushmaster is because they broke my heart with the ACR. ::sniff sniff::

[freonr22]

These spots don't change

[dieselpower]

There is so much of a difference these days. Back in the 80-90's pretty much what I saw on the range (keep in mind I was a youngster) was Colt's, Bushmaster, and Armalite as what most people were shooting ARs in the public domain.

So much has changed today in manufacturers of ARs.

I tend to stay away from Bushmaster nowadays because the Freedom Group has yet to instill my confidence in the Roll mark.

They bought BM, closed the BM plant and moved manufacturing to another facility...I think an old Remington plant. So now (2009 and forward) you have new AR15 Armorers manufacturing BMs.

It could be better for all I know. I do know BM took a dive awhile back and had issues. Thats for sure. I also know several unethical distributors where accused of manufacturing Bushmaster Rifles using other manufacturers parts...OR stripping BMs and replacing the parts with cheaper parts.

I know BM was refusing warranty service for hundreds of people based on the fact the rifle was not a true BM, even when the person claimed to have bought it like that.

[TNP'R]

I tend to stay away from Bushmaster nowadays because the Freedom Group has yet to instill my confidence in the Roll mark.

They bought BM, closed the BM plant and moved manufacturing to another facility...I think an old Remington plant. So now (2009 and forward) you have new AR15 Armorers manufacturing BMs.

It could be better for all I know. I do know BM took a dive awhile back and had issues. Thats for sure. I also know several unethical distributors where accused of manufacturing Bushmaster Rifles using other manufacturers parts...OR stripping BMs and replacing the parts with cheaper parts.

I know BM was refusing warranty service for hundreds of people based on the fact the rifle was not a true BM, even when the person claimed to have bought it like that.

I believe they are turning it around, I don't know for sure because all I have to go on is what I have and the fit and finish is outstanding the gas keys are staked properly and seems to be good to go.

[dieselpower]

I believe they are turning it around, I don't know for sure because all I have to go on is what I have and the fit and finish is outstanding the gas keys are staked properly and seems to be good to go.

Thats cool. I do advise people to check out BMs, just remember any manufacture can put out a lemon.

[kozumasbullitt]

I love my ACR, I don't know what the big deal is.

[C4iGrant]

Yeah I seen that thread but not every bushmaster is like that though. After reading that and prior to making this thread I checked everything and my Bushmaster is no where near that way.

Every company has a lemon or two its just the way it is but putting people off a whole brand is kind of uncalled for. If you go into a gun shop and fail to inspect the rifle before you buy it well then that's your mistake.

I have seen hundreds of BM's this way. So I actually think yours might be the fluke.


Honestly speaking, I have not seen any BM's for about 3-4 months so it IS possible that new production guns are getting better. They are still over gassed though, so think about upgrading the buffer to an H2 or H3.


Good luck!


C4

[C4iGrant]

Much of M4carbine.net is just chart fan boys in a jerk fest. Factually, when you think of how many Bushmasters have been produced over the years and their success in the market, they have done very well.

McDonalds is also EXTREMELY popular. Doesn't mean that their food is any good.



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[akjunkie]

Got 2 RAW Bush from 1996. Upper n lower. Flawless.

[Suvorov]

At the end of the day, the VAST MAJORITY of LE and recreational shooters will never shoot enough for all the warts of their particular brand to become apparent. Thus this is really just an exercise in measuring ones penis size and defending ones purchase.

However, there are those who do shoot enough with the various brands to notice when things go wrong and also notice trends. M4C.net is full of a lot of fanboys and keyboard rangers, and the elitism is nauseating at times. It is also full of a lot of guys who do far more shooting - in both competition and on 2 way ranges - or manage large armories than 99% of the internet shooting world will ever do, that have seen trends in various rifle brands as well as what breaks on rifles. These people do not in general have a good opinion of Bushmaster. Back in the day, Bushmaster was one of the only games in town, but there is a reason that companies like DD and BCM have become popular and its not because Bushmaster was making the best alternative to Colt out there.

The facts are that a lot of companies (Bushmaster included) cut corners in production of their rifles for cost savings (the example of the FSB is a good one) and deviate from the true Mil Spec (TDP). I don't have an issue with that as long as the buyer knows what they are getting into and as long as they pass those cost savings on to the customer. Sadly, this is not the case usually.

I know plenty of people who have had Bushies that have given them great service, mine was also a decent gun, but to be real honest, none of these guns have been driven real hard.

If you bought a Bushy, don't try to justify it - it will probably do everything you ask it to do without an issue. Shoot the gun and have fun with it. You probably will never push it hard enough to see it cough and if you do, then by then you will probably know what features to look for in your next rifle and will make a more informed choice.