PMAG Issues

[roushstage2]

I got two National Gun Supply pinned and epoxied 10/30 PMAGs for Christmas. However, loading them up for the first time tonight in preparation for going out shooting tomorrow, I noticed a couple of...quirks with them.

The first is that while loading the magazines, the rounds don't load the right way? After I put one round in, I have to start to load the next, and then push down on the previous one to get it to seat properly in the magazine and repeat for all 10 rounds. As I load the next round, the previous is sticking up too far and kind of jams/wedges itself against the new one; hence me having to push down on that one while I load the next. My other concern is that when the magazine has 10 rounds in it, the dust cover won't completely close/snap onto the magazine. I don't know if both of these issues could be caused by the pinning method? Is this a 10/30 issue? My two 10/20s that are blocked with a MagBlock don't have either of these problems.

Thoughts?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I have encountered stock 30 round mags that fit tightly in the well and made dropping the slide difficult, probably a little off spec but they still worked.

I wouldn't blame Magpul for mags that have been neutered and altered for PRK compliance.

On the other hand Ive had 10/20 and 10/30 mags with UBBT from Calegalmags.com and they are always flawless in function.

[dieselpower]

I got two National Gun Supply pinned and epoxied 10/30 PMAGs for Christmas. However, loading them up for the first time tonight in preparation for going out shooting tomorrow, I noticed a couple of...quirks with them.

The first is that while loading the magazines, the rounds don't load the right way? After I put one round in, I have to start to load the next, and then push down on the previous one to get it to seat properly in the magazine and repeat for all 10 rounds. As I load the next round, the previous is sticking up too far and kind of jams/wedges itself against the new one; hence me having to push down on that one while I load the next. My other concern is that when the magazine has 10 rounds in it, the dust cover won't completely close/snap onto the magazine. I don't know if both of these issues could be caused by the pinning method? Is this a 10/30 issue? My two 10/20s that are blocked with a MagBlock don't have either of these problems.

Thoughts?

This sounds normal to me. The round you are loading does have to push down on the previous one and the cap needs to push down on all of them to remove tension off of the feed lips. If the cap doesn't fit, then there wasn't enough room left by the limiting device to allow the cap to be used.

too bad it was pinned and epoxied... this all can be fixed easily if not

[smittty]

Why are you guys using 30 rd mags to build 10 rounders? They are too long for anything except to look like 30 rounders and you can't use them from a bench because they are too long.

10/20's make sense to me but 10/30 are for mall ninja's!

FYI, Pmags generally hold 1 less than they are supposed to.

[negolien]

+1 on 30 rounders sucking.. My Ar high sided while using a Bi-Pod and a 30 rounder. It rolled off the table during a bit of wind and hit the scope jacking it up when I turned to look thru the spotting scope.......I now use only Stoner 10 rounders. They're only 12 bucks per....

[451040]

Why are you guys using 30 rd mags to build 10 rounders?

They want to.

They are too long for anything except to look like 30 rounders

What's wrong with that?

and you can't use them from a bench because they are too long.

Not everyone is into benchresting their AR.

10/20's make sense to me but 10/30 are for mall ninja's!

Opinions are like ...

FYI, Pmags generally hold 1 less than they are supposed to.

So my pmags are actually 31 rounders!?!

[smittty]

They want to.

What's wrong with that?

Not everyone is into benchresting their AR.

Opinions are like ...

So my pmags are actually 31 rounders!?!

You're not making much sense but you like 10/30 mags

No, you need to subtract 1 not add 1! Your 30 round pmags have a high possibility of being 29 round mags. The last round often prevents the mag catch from catching the mag.

Here's some math you might understand,
10/30 = mall ninja!


I'm just making fun!

[g_conway]

Much simpler answer. Couldn't find "pinned" 10/20's only "Pinned and blocked."
I want to be able to take apart for cleaning. The only ones I can find like that are 10/30's. Other than that, I would rather have the 10/20's.

[m03]

10/20's make sense to me but 10/30 are for mall ninja's!

Bolt action .223 rifles make sense to me but AR15s are for mall ninja's!

See how that works?

[Donk310]

Why are you guys using 30 rd mags to build 10 rounders? They are too long for anything except to look like 30 rounders and you can't use them from a bench because they are too long.

10/20's make sense to me but 10/30 are for mall ninja's!

FYI, Pmags generally hold 1 less than they are supposed to.

I went through this 10/30 mall ninja phase at one point. Then I switched to 10/20's. MUCH better. Then I switched to just 10 round magazines. EVEN BETTER! Still have all my mall ninja mags if anyone wants to purchase.

[smittty]

I have 2 mall ninja 10/30 mags as well only mine came with one of my rifles. $20 for both, free shipping if anyone wants them but you have to be a mall ninja!

[FatalKitty]

I have 2 mall ninja 10/30 mags as well only mine came with one of my rifles. $20 for both, free shipping if anyone wants them but you have to be a mall ninja!

20 vs 30

20
can't stow dust cover on the mag
shorter (plus or minus depending on if you're a bench jocky or you actually like to shoot)
limited gear for 20 rounders (pouches, ect)

30
self contained (if you like to keep track of your dust covers, they can be stowed on the mag)
i'm not gonna argue
longer - for tac reloading, easy to grab from gear (belt/chest rig) but can get in the way if you are a mallsniper (bench shooter)
not gonna argue
TONS of great gear by every company to hold all the mags you could ever dream to carry into a mall (and because we limit ourselves to 10 rounds, we can cut down on weight, and carry even more than non-PRK ninjas)
not gonna argue

[roushstage2]

I wouldn't blame Magpul for mags that have been neutered and altered for PRK compliance.

I'm not saying Magpul is to blame at all; just saying that's what mags they are in case it matters.

This sounds normal to me. The round you are loading does have to push down on the previous one and the cap needs to push down on all of them to remove tension off of the feed lips. If the cap doesn't fit, then there wasn't enough room left by the limiting device to allow the cap to be used.

too bad it was pinned and epoxied... this all can be fixed easily if not

It's hard for me to explain the "problem" over the internet. On the 10/20s, I can just use one hand to load the rounds (while the other is holding the mag). On the 10/30s, I have to use one hand to hold the mag and push the other rounds down while I load the next or they jam up. I also cannot get the cap to fit/snap down while it is loaded-- the other problem.

Why are you guys using 30 rd mags to build 10 rounders? They are too long for anything except to look like 30 rounders and you can't use them from a bench because they are too long.

10/20's make sense to me but 10/30 are for mall ninja's!

FYI, Pmags generally hold 1 less than they are supposed to.

It's the one mall ninja thing I've got , and by the sounds of it, I'll only be having these two 10/30s. I'm not liking the two-handed loading and the caps not fitting. I might try one more that I block myself, and see if that fixes either of the problems I'm having.

[dc2integra]

Ive had alot of issue with my pmag 10/30 s im just gonna stick to 10 round mags.

[TwoAsoapbox]

I can drill out my two restricted 10/30 pmags with a 1/16" bit and have two perfectly good 30 rounders when the laws change. I got them from NGS and have had zero problems with them so far.

Also, its kinda nice having a mag that at least looks like the intended magazine sticking out of the bottom of my AR. Lets be honest, the way our guns look is almost as important as the way they shoot.