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  • #31
    Kestryll
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    • Oct 2005
    • 21580

    Wow, a rude and insulting post by stormy clothing, what a surprise...

    Guess how this ends.
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    • #32
      thrasherfox
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 2319

      Originally posted by tonelar
      Hi Thrasher. When a mfg states their barrel is 16.5", that's 16.5" from the bolt face to the crown. Meaning; it's 16.5" before the flash hider is attached.

      Somewhat related:
      There's an excellent gunsmith here on the peninsula who didn't have BB or other ARs. He had a bad DOJ experience a few years back that set him back $25,000 over an auditor not knowing the difference between a Saiga and an illegal AW. Anywaze, he doesn't work on anything that even looks like it could be confused with an AW. His shop, his choice. I bring him my Colts and Winchesters etc, I bring my EBRs elsewhere.

      OP,
      Thanks for your post. If I'm in SD and need one of my EBRs worked on, I'll know that Fine Firearms isn't the place to check into.
      Actually my AR was sold and was stated by the manufacture as a 16.5 barrel length and it was 16.5 with the FH. without the FH it was like 14.5 inches.

      I just sent off an email to FNH asking the specifics on the rifle. I will post the response when I get it.
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      • #33
        IrishPirate
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2009
        • 6390

        your first mistake was thinking that a gun shop employee knew anything about gun laws...
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        • #34
          vlsgmc
          Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 292

          I was in a local gun shop a few weeks ago (one of the newer ones with lots of evil looking rifles) and asked them if they would do an off roster pistol transfer to me from my parent in Texas. I used the term intrafamillial. I understood when they said NO. Didn't argue the point. They followed with "you would be better off going to Texas and buying it and shipping it back here for the transfer." After I regained my composure, I changed the subject. I'll still shop there, just have to drive a lot farther for some services.

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          • #35
            Bobby Ricigliano
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            CGN Contributor
            • Feb 2011
            • 17438

            They have the right to refuse service.

            You have the right to spend your money elsewhere.

            They have the right to go out of business.

            You have the right to laugh.

            "Military spec assault weapons" - FAIL

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            • #36
              Scratch705
              I need a LIFE!!
              • May 2009
              • 12520

              Originally posted by Kestryll
              Wow, a rude and insulting post by stormy clothing, what a surprise...

              Guess how this ends.
              guess having him on my ignore list months ago due to his useless posting was a great choice after all.
              Originally posted by leelaw
              Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
              Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
              Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
              Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
              Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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              • #37
                GM4spd
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2008
                • 5682

                Originally posted by tuna quesadilla
                Not a single person on this board has a military spec assault weapon that I know of.
                Good point! Pete

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                • #38
                  Bete Noire
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 578

                  Super easy job to DIY. I use a simple barrel vise from Brownells and usually a 5/8 wrench.

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                  • #39
                    thrasherfox
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 2319

                    Originally posted by Bete Noire
                    Super easy job to DIY. I use a simple barrel vise from Brownells and usually a 5/8 wrench.
                    Someone else gave me the same advice, which turned out to be bad advice due to the length of the barrel.

                    did you read my post about when you take it off, if it is pinned it jacks up the threads because when you snap the pin it drags on the threads as you back it off. So you need a die to clean the threads up.

                    Then after the threads are cleaned up and you are even able to put on the MB, you then need to figure out a way to pin it again or weld it.

                    I am commenting on your post because I received all the same advice from people and it did not end well.

                    If the barrel without FH was longer than 16 inches then he would be GTG, but it isnt so he isnt.
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                    • #40
                      Flintlock Tom
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 3353

                      It's been a couple years since I've been in Fine Firearms, but, do they even sell modern "assault" rifles? If I'm remembering correctly all I ever saw there was wood and blued steel.
                      Is it really a crime if they chose to narrow their focus to certain types of firearms.
                      Since you imply that you directed your wife to shop there for Christmas, does that mean that you've been a happy customer there up until this incident?
                      So, because they fall short of your expectations in this one area, you're willing to not only throw away all the good experiences, but to trash them on this forum hoping to deprive them of business?
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                      • #41
                        CSACANNONEER
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 44092

                        You called them and asked them if they could do something for you and they answered with a "no". So, what's the big deal? Just because a mechanic offers services like a brake job on a Toyota that does not mean that he is willing to do a brake job on a Mazaratti. Maybe they don't have the right tools or maybe they just plain do not want the job. There is no crime in that. I find it refreshing to hear of of shop that refuses to do something that they don't feel comfortable or competent doing.
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                        • #42
                          Fate
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 9545

                          Originally posted by Kestryll
                          Wow, a rude and insulting post by stormy clothing, what a surprise...

                          Guess how this ends.
                          Taking a brief look at his posting history is pretty revealing. Good riddance.
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                          • #43
                            pc_load_letter
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 2519

                            @Thrasherfox...

                            The FH is NOT pinned. Confirmed yesterday. Measured the barrel as well and it is 16 inches without the break\FH. Never the less, another gunsmith mentioned here is on board to do the work.

                            @Flintlock Tom...

                            Yes, they have plenty of black rifles on the shelves. To your other statements, yes, directed the wife there because it was close to our house versus trekking up to Turners. And yes, customer service was always pretty good.

                            And finally, I disagree with your opinion that I am trashing them on this forum. As I stated above, I feel that it's all of our responsibilities to post good and bad dealings with shops local to us. Never did I call them names or tell anyone not to go there. Even on the phone with them I said "Thank you, I will be taking my business elsewhere".

                            I understand that no shop can be the end-all be-all for us gun owners, heck, even the range I shoot at, Project 2000, is frustrating in some regards. But I simply presented the information for the public's consumption.

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                            • #44
                              pc_load_letter
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 2519

                              Yes, I totally respect what you are saying and agree somewhat.

                              And as I've stated numerous times, I simply made the post to inform the members here that if they own a SCAR, or any other type of rifle, FF might not do the muzzle break install after first saying yes, then saying no after they find out what kind of rifle it is.

                              Sadly, there is no Calguns vendor review section so I felt it appropriate to post my dealings.

                              Not unlike the posts regarding Buds, Big 5, Turners or any other shop where the dealings were good or bad. But thanks for your comments. Merry Christmas!

                              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                              You called them and asked them if they could do something for you and they answered with a "no". So, what's the big deal? Just because a mechanic offers services like a brake job on a Toyota that does not mean that he is willing to do a brake job on a Mazaratti. Maybe they don't have the right tools or maybe they just plain do not want the job. There is no crime in that. I find it refreshing to hear of of shop that refuses to do something that they don't feel comfortable or competent doing.

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                              • #45
                                thrasherfox
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2319

                                Originally posted by pc_load_letter
                                @Thrasherfox...

                                The FH is NOT pinned. Confirmed yesterday. Measured the barrel as well and it is 16 inches without the break\FH. Never the less, another gunsmith mentioned here is on board to do the work.

                                @Flintlock Tom...

                                Yes, they have plenty of black rifles on the shelves. To your other statements, yes, directed the wife there because it was close to our house versus trekking up to Turners. And yes, customer service was always pretty good.

                                And finally, I disagree with your opinion that I am trashing them on this forum. As I stated above, I feel that it's all of our responsibilities to post good and bad dealings with shops local to us. Never did I call them names or tell anyone not to go there. Even on the phone with them I said "Thank you, I will be taking my business elsewhere".

                                I understand that no shop can be the end-all be-all for us gun owners, heck, even the range I shoot at, Project 2000, is frustrating in some regards. But I simply presented the information for the public's consumption.
                                As long as it is over 16 inches without the FH and it isnt pinned then I dont see why you would need a gun smith. I would think you should be good to go.

                                Good luck.
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                                But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

                                2 Corinthians 3:3
                                You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

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