Did I miss any?

[zfields]

Def need the tokerov. and a russian makrov.

[NYsteveZ]

Def need the tokerov. and a russian makrov.

Yeah-I was figuring a CZ52 to cover my Tokarev, and a Baikal Makarov. I'm debating of just getting an example of each Russian gun, or go crazy with it and get EVERY gun, see Nicks list^^^. Ive only been collecting since the end of July, and I have a great start.

[zfields]

cz 52 is nothing like a tok. How bout a Yugo one? Or a cz82 to cover the mak?

[NYsteveZ]

Cz82 and Yugos are close to the Makarov? I'll check that out. Reason I was considering a CZ52 in place of the Tokarev, is because the Toks on GB seem so expensive (4x the price) of a 52. Where would the CZ75 fit in? I seen one at DAS and it looks NICE. It is also brand new, so does that make it LESS collectible than per say an older original?

[zfields]

Cz82 and Yugos are close to the Makarov? I'll check that out. Reason I was considering a CZ52 in place of the Tokarev, is because the Toks on GB seem so expensive (4x the price) of a 52. Where would the CZ75 fit in? I seen one at DAS and it looks NICE. It is also brand new, so does that make it LESS collectible than per say an older original?

Tokarevs should only run you around 200 bucks, but thats for Yugos. CZ82s are closer to a Mak, but faintly.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/romanian-tokarev-ttc%2C-7-62x25-nice-semi-auto-pistols%2C-very-good-condition-/products_id/6342?osCsid=50a79efd5167559e3158ae260296bbbf

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/cz-surplus/p/cz-82-czech-9x18-makarov-military-pistol%2C-good-to-very-good-condition%2C-one-mag-c-r-/cPath/16_155/products_id/3050

CZ75s are completely different, I wouldnt consider that part of your "collection" in terms of older cold war pistols.


Dont get me wrong, im a big CZ fan, but its a much more modern design.

[chead]

Ive seen a few Skorpions-Atlantic Firearms has them for $699, and cdnn has them cheaper, but I dont know if Atlantic will sell them to California, cdnn simply wont. Cdnn bought them all up from Czechpoint, thanks cdnn! Im even willing to buy it without the large mag, or, they can break it down as a mag kit.
How hard would it be to build one?

They have some that come with ten-round mags. I think Atlantic would probably sell one to you or you could have an FFL with a SOT order it.

[NYsteveZ]

They have some that come with ten-round mags. I think Atlantic would probably sell one to you or you could have an FFL with a SOT order it.

I'll definately ask them if I decide to get one. Also-That is a NICE CZ75. On wiki, they said it is called one of the "wonder 9s", and ranks with the best ever made. It was also issued to Czech police forces. I'm looking for any reason to get one in my collection, but if I do, I will probably go with the traditional non-rail version.
On the Makarovs-Ive seen many Russian Baikals that are reasonably priced. Would a Yugo or Bulgarian be better? ALSO, what caliber is considered original Makarov? Ive seen them in 9 and .380. Ive also seen an East German one, and almost went with it, but I dont know much about handguns.

[zfields]

I'll definately ask them if I decide to get one. Also-That is a NICE CZ75. On wiki, they said it is called one of the "wonder 9s", and ranks with the best ever made. It was also issued to Czech police forces. I'm looking for any reason to get one in my collection, but if I do, I will probably go with the traditional non-rail version.
On the Makarovs-Ive seen many Russian Baikals that are reasonably priced. Would a Yugo or Bulgarian be better? ALSO, what caliber is considered original Makarov? Ive seen them in 9 and .380. Ive also seen an East German one, and almost went with it, but I dont know much about handguns.

Original Makarov is 9x18 Mak : )

380 and 9mm are either conversions, or guns based off the design.

[nick]

Yeah-I was figuring a CZ52 to cover my Tokarev, and a Baikal Makarov. I'm debating of just getting an example of each Russian gun, or go crazy with it and get EVERY gun, see Nicks list^^^. Ive only been collecting since the end of July, and I have a great start.

A Bulgarian or East German Makarov would be closer to a Russian military Makarov, since the Baikal IJ-70 has adjustable rear sights, whereas the military ones are fixed.

CZ-52 is VERY different from a TT-33, they only share the round. Polish or Romanian TTs would be as close as it gets, and the Russian ones are still out there (but much more expensive).

[nick]

Cz82 and Yugos are close to the Makarov? I'll check that out. Reason I was considering a CZ52 in place of the Tokarev, is because the Toks on GB seem so expensive (4x the price) of a 52. Where would the CZ75 fit in? I seen one at DAS and it looks NICE. It is also brand new, so does that make it LESS collectible than per say an older original?

SOG has POlish and Romanian TTs for about $200 right now. CZ-82 is very different from a Mak, as well, they just share the round

A Yugo M57 is a TT with a longer grip (and longer mag).

[nick]

Tokarevs should only run you around 200 bucks, but thats for Yugos. CZ82s are closer to a Mak, but faintly.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/romanian-tokarev-ttc%2C-7-62x25-nice-semi-auto-pistols%2C-very-good-condition-/products_id/6342?osCsid=50a79efd5167559e3158ae260296bbbf

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/cz-surplus/p/cz-82-czech-9x18-makarov-military-pistol%2C-good-to-very-good-condition%2C-one-mag-c-r-/cPath/16_155/products_id/3050

CZ75s are completely different, I wouldnt consider that part of your "collection" in terms of older cold war pistols.


Dont get me wrong, im a big CZ fan, but its a much more modern design.

Designed behind the Iron Curtain, although the Czech military didn't adopt them.

[zfields]

Designed behind the Iron Curtain, although the Czech military didn't adopt them.

well, they did after the curtain fell. Thats why I said I wouldnt consider them part of that type of collection.