AK 74 vs M16 (Russian test)

[FiveSeven]

The video is in Russian (of course).
In the beginning, they're doing test to see if 5.45 deflects after passing trough think bushes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOv-oy8Eq6I&feature=related

Take it for what's it worth. Was it staged? Who knows, they state that it was, open/public and Internationally observed tests.

Earlier in the video one of the "experts" talk about the two. M16 has a longer sight distance and peep sight, it make is more accurate in single shot mode than AK 74. 5.45 also has a milder recoil than 5.65
AK has open shorter sight radius which makes faster target acquisition and better in full auto.

The test comparison starts at 5:30
In after water submerged AK fired without problems.
M16 fired only once. Internal Deformation occurred.

Dust test
AK fired normally.
M16 was able to shot in single shot and only with the help of forward assist.

1 meter concrete drop test.
AK passed this test as well.
M16 had a multifunction due to deformed magazine.

Armour perforation.
AK penetrated 6.5mm steel
M16 left only dimples.
(they don't say what ammo)

[fredieusa]

At about 2:25, the guy is firing a T2. Very cool video. Thanks for posting.

Here is another test. But its the AKM vs the M16. the 762 totally rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwR4LLvoc4&list=PL31062366250D4CF4&index=22

[chicoredneck]

I did not watch the video, but read your summary. I own both a '74 and an ar15. I have had jams with both and both were a fault of the magazine, not the rifle.

I have shot thousands of rounds of russian surplus 5.45 and another thousand rounds of wolf 70gr. I have shot thousands of rounds of 5.56/223 through my ar15 of various weights and manufacture. I can tell you that in my observations, under 150 yards military surplus 62gr ammo penetrates steel better than any other 5.56 ammo or 5.45 ammo I have tested. Over 150 yards the 5.45 and 5.56 ammo functioned similarly, with a slight edge to the 5.56. On non-metal targets 55gr xm193 5.56 penetrates better than the steel core 62gr and the 5.45 ammo. All of this ammo was fired from 16" barrels.

The AK74 muzzel break is extremely effective at reducing recoil and muzzel climb. The AR15's birdcage flash hider not so much.

When engaing moving targets the AK74 points more naturally for me and the open sights make it easier to lead your target. The Ar15's peep sight is very dificult to use on a moving target and obscures the target.

My Ar15 is very accurate, more so than the ak74, but the AK74 is still more accurate than most would give it credit.

Military surlus 5.56 ammo litterally blows huge holes in critters. The russian 5.45 ice picks and has a tendancy to veer off course once it hits something.

The Ak74 is more controllable in rapid fire, but with a slight side to side sway. The Ar15 with the traditional birdcage flash hider has signifficantly more recoil and muzzel climb than the Ak74, but less side to side sway. It is faster to get back on target with the Ak74, mainly due to it's reduced muzzel climb and open sights. A different muzzel break on the AR may change this somewhat.

My observations gained through extensive shooting sessions in the Nevada desert.

[ElvenSoul]

Oh I hate to say it but after Billions of Dollars and 40yrs of development the M16/AR15's have almost caught up to the AK's. These days I would not hesitate to take either one into battle.

[Josh3239]

It was a Russian test, big surprise. Especially given their history of propaganda. Maybe while were at it we can hire the Cuban government to do a study of Communism vs Capitalism.

Oh I hate to say it but after Billions of Dollars and 40yrs of development the M16/AR15's have almost caught up to the AK's. These days I would not hesitate to take either one into battle.

Almost caught? Try far surpassed. There would be no question of the AR's reliability if it hadn't had a short period of problems during Vietnam. Despite the fact that this was the A1 model, despite the fact it was an extremely short period of trouble, despite the fact the A1 is long since dead, despite the fact that the round components were fixed, despite the fact that the majority of Vietnam vets had zero trouble with their rifle, despite the fact that the AR is universally loved my US troops, foreign troops, hunters, competition shooters, recreational shooters and despite the fact that every single bit of that incident was over 40 years ago people still cling to it. It is like saying planes are unsafe because the Wright brothers crashed theirs. Different times, different models, different everything.

The fact remains the AK does nothing better than the AR. Yep, I said it. The 5.56mm is overall superior to the 5.45mm and the 7.62x39. You believe those rounds are death ray? Tell that to Patrick Purdy, Larry Phillips Jr, and Emil Matasareu. The AR is far more accurate. Ergonomically superior. Far more modular. The aftermarket parts are coming out everyday. Reliability problems? Did we not win every single battle in Vietnam? Where were the complaints in Somalia? How about Iraq and Afghanistan? If it is so dreadful why did the Israelis ditch the AKs and Galils for it? Oh right we "made" them, well if you believe that garbage where are their complaints? American LE, doesn't seem to have any complaints. Do you know any competition shooters complaining that their AR stops too often in the middle of matches? Bottom line if you are still playing the reliability record, consider joining us in the 21st century where the AR is reliable, and you can actually change a buttstock or mount a scope in less than 1 minute without disassembling other parts of the rifle. The AK is the pretty much the same as the original late 1940's model that was adopted by the USSR, the AR is not. It is had been updated and stayed with the times.

[MrPlink]

Ar vs ak? What a new idea! Cant believe we never discussed it yet!

[DK9mm]

Cool, thanks for posting....

[someR1]

It was a Russian test, big surprise. Especially given their history of propaganda. Maybe while were at it we can hire the Cuban government to do a study of Communism vs Capitalism.



Almost caught? Try far surpassed. There would be no question of the AR's reliability if it hadn't had a short period of problems during Vietnam. Despite the fact that this was the A1 model, despite the fact it was an extremely short period of trouble, despite the fact the A1 is long since dead, despite the fact that the round components were fixed, despite the fact that the majority of Vietnam vets had zero trouble with their rifle, despite the fact that the AR is universally loved my US troops, foreign troops, hunters, competition shooters, recreational shooters and despite the fact that every single bit of that incident was over 40 years ago people still cling to it. It is like saying planes are unsafe because the Wright brothers crashed theirs. Different times, different models, different everything.

The fact remains the AK does nothing better than the AR. Yep, I said it. The 5.56mm is overall superior to the 5.45mm and the 7.62x39. You believe those rounds are death ray? Tell that to Patrick Purdy, Larry Phillips Jr, and Emil Matasareu. The AR is far more accurate. Ergonomically superior. Far more modular. The aftermarket parts are coming out everyday. Reliability problems? Did we not win every single battle in Vietnam? Where were the complaints in Somalia? How about Iraq and Afghanistan? If it is so dreadful why did the Israelis ditch the AKs and Galils for it? Oh right we "made" them, well if you believe that garbage where are their complaints? American LE, doesn't seem to have any complaints. Do you know any competition shooters complaining that their AR stops too often in the middle of matches? Bottom line if you are still playing the reliability record, consider joining us in the 21st century where the AR is reliable, and you can actually change a buttstock or mount a scope in less than 1 minute without disassembling other parts of the rifle. The AK is the pretty much the same as the original late 1940's model that was adopted by the USSR, the AR is not. It is had been updated and stayed with the times.

Are you kidding me dude? I have marine buddies that HATE the m16 because dust storms EASILY cause them to malfunction. Bury an AK and a m16 in the dirt then fire them. I guarantee the AK will perform without malfunction. There are too many parts in the m16. More parts= more chance of failure. The AK is more robust hands down. Don't get me wrong, I own both weapons and love them both equally, but I know for a fact the AK will take a beating, and the m16 will not.

[whlgun]

How old is this video?

[bohoki]

pretty neat although that ah94 is kind of dumb

[Cuerno_de_Chivo]

The AR isn't more accurate, it's just more precise. I think people Mistake "accuracy" with PRECISION. Big difference IMO.

[ElvenSoul]

It was a Russian test, big surprise. Especially given their history of propaganda. Maybe while were at it we can hire the Cuban government to do a study of Communism vs Capitalism.



Almost caught? Try far surpassed. There would be no question of the AR's reliability if it hadn't had a short period of problems during Vietnam. Despite the fact that this was the A1 model, despite the fact it was an extremely short period of trouble, despite the fact the A1 is long since dead, despite the fact that the round components were fixed, despite the fact that the majority of Vietnam vets had zero trouble with their rifle, despite the fact that the AR is universally loved my US troops, foreign troops, hunters, competition shooters, recreational shooters and despite the fact that every single bit of that incident was over 40 years ago people still cling to it. It is like saying planes are unsafe because the Wright brothers crashed theirs. Different times, different models, different everything.

The fact remains the AK does nothing better than the AR. Yep, I said it. The 5.56mm is overall superior to the 5.45mm and the 7.62x39. You believe those rounds are death ray? Tell that to Patrick Purdy, Larry Phillips Jr, and Emil Matasareu. The AR is far more accurate. Ergonomically superior. Far more modular. The aftermarket parts are coming out everyday. Reliability problems? Did we not win every single battle in Vietnam? Where were the complaints in Somalia? How about Iraq and Afghanistan? If it is so dreadful why did the Israelis ditch the AKs and Galils for it? Oh right we "made" them, well if you believe that garbage where are their complaints? American LE, doesn't seem to have any complaints. Do you know any competition shooters complaining that their AR stops too often in the middle of matches? Bottom line if you are still playing the reliability record, consider joining us in the 21st century where the AR is reliable, and you can actually change a buttstock or mount a scope in less than 1 minute without disassembling other parts of the rifle. The AK is the pretty much the same as the original late 1940's model that was adopted by the USSR, the AR is not. It is had been updated and stayed with the times.

You do know of the AR's many PROBLEMS in the Sand Box right?

[Merc1138]

That AH94 looks absolutely ridiculous. I'm guessing they had to make the barrel pencil thin otherwise the reciprocating mass would be ridiculous, but instead now they have a barrel that whips around like a spaghetti noodle.

The gas system on the rifle at the 10 minute mark looks kinda neat, having that additional mass traveling in the opposite direction of the bolt so they don't rely on a muzzle device redirecting gas for braking.

Here's another part of that show about russian pistols: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfm1cwJOfaw

There are also others about machine guns and stuff when you check out the related videos over on the right. It's funny, but everything from the animations, the experts sitting in a chair discussing the weapons, all reminds me of the historical gun shows on Discovery from a few years back(before they were a reality tv station).

[someR1]

You do know of the AR's many PROBLEMS in the Sand Box right?

no, he doesn't understand.

[someR1]

really, we are comparing apples to oranges here.