AK 74 vs M16 (Russian test)

[nanoc]

I was watching a documentary about Afghanistan and a soldier there was discussing a firefight, in which in a prolonged and intensive firefight two of their rifles jammed and they had to use the dead insurgence AK's. That should tell one how reliable what weapon system is in the sandbox. This doesn't stop me from loving AR's but I understand the limitations of the design.

[Dhena81]

I know this will be a blow to the internet AK guys but as you can see the AK can fail and for all you people saying the AR jams in the sandbox or whatever how the hell do you know the opposing sides firearm doesn't ever jam? As you can plainly see the AK can and does jam.

The US military trains with their weapons so a M16 in our hands goes through a lot more abuse than some dumb *** insurgent that shoots 100 rounds a year through his AK. There's no doubt the AK is a great design there's no question, it's just the AR variants are not as bad as some of the internet claims you just need good mags and the right ammo.

[BoonieGhost]

When SHTF there gonna be nothing left but AK's and Mosins.

AR will die out the first few months once the cleaning supplies go. Can you say jam fest 2000?

^^THIS^^ You forgot the SKS though...

With the amount of money you have to put into a good AR to make it as HALF as reliable as the AK, you might as well buy 4 or 5 Saiga's for $299.00... I own an AR and have shot numerous AK's/Saiga and SKS platforms and I still prefer the AK...specially the 74...

Don't let your pride get in the way of your smarts...get over yourselves...This does not make you un-patriotic if you favor a foreign weapon platform over our domestic weapon platform! If it works, give it some credit!

If you want the best of both worlds, get a Saiga .223, do the AR Mag well or Galil conversion and call it a day...

[HK35]

AR will die out the first few months once the cleaning supplies go. Can you say jam fest 2000?

Not necessarily true with piston driven ARs.

[starsnuffer]

^^THIS^^ You forgot the SKS though...

With the amount of money you have to put into a good AR to make it as HALF as reliable as the AK, you might as well buy 4 or 5 Saiga's for $299.00... I own an AR and have shot numerous AK's/Saiga and SKS platforms and I still prefer the AK...specially the 74...

Don't let your pride get in the way of your smarts...get over yourselves...This does not make you un-patriotic if you favor a foreign weapon platform over our domestic weapon platform! If it works, give it some credit!

If you want the best of both worlds, get a Saiga .223, do the AR Mag well or Galil conversion and call it a day...

The only thing unpatriotic about the whole thing is the idea that there will be a need or desire to go out and shoot a crapload of people (ie other patriots of the planet earth) when "SHTF". I guess if that's your reason for owning a particular rifle, then more power to you. Products have been sold based on all kinds of irrational emotional states for years.

-W

[BoonieGhost]

Not necessarily true with piston driven ARs.

I cannot speak firsthand about piston drivin AR's, but I did inquire about them once at a gunshop, and the guy behind the counter (I realize that most gunshop employees are idiots and only there for a paycheck) said that it didnt really add too much as far as reliability, but it made the gun a lot easier to clean. again, I have no firsthand knowledge...

[themailman]

My Russian Made Saiga was a pos jammomatic. My BCM AR has never jammed. What?!

[NorCalK9.com]

I know this will be a blow to the internet AK guys but as you can see the AK can fail and for all you people saying the AR jams in the sandbox or whatever how the hell do you know the opposing sides firearm doesn't ever jam? As you can plainly see the AK can and does jam.

The US military trains with their weapons so a M16 in our hands goes through a lot more abuse than some dumb *** insurgent that shoots 100 rounds a year through his AK. There's no doubt the AK is a great design there's no question, it's just the AR variants are not as bad as some of the internet claims you just need good mags and the right BE]

ok first off bud insurgents are only a small group of people that use ak's! Did you know theres many countries that arent even muslim that run ak's? Russia, bulgarians, yugos, polish, chinese, and so many many more, heck the sig 556 line is based off an ak. And when russia invaded afghanistan i'm sure they were shooting more than a hundred rounds a year. As well as many other conflicts the ak has been in. the AR has never seen as much battle as the ak has. Thank you n have a great day.
Btw I love my new AR

[TheDeej]

I have an AR and a Saiga, both fun, but the Saiga is way more fun and cheaper to feed. Since I'm not going to war any time soon, that's good enough for me.

[vikingm03]

ak fanboys are hilarious in their fanaticism

[GM4spd]

Friends don't let friends use DI rifles Pete

I only use piston jobs(at least till Turners gets my Colt M4

[NorCalK9.com]

ak fanboys are hilarious in their fanaticism

Actually ak people are usually realists.
AR guys are usually delusional. Lmao
Either way who cares. I nor anyone on here is going to volunteer to stand in front of any of the above rifles so the pount is moot.
I feel more secure with an ak74
You feel more secure with an AR15
I even know a guy who feels secure with a .22 pistol.
Each our own.
Agree to disagree.

[acaligunner]

Not really important. In combat if your AK/AR doesn't work, you'll just zap the person who has what you need.

So the whole issue is not really important, as much as surviving in the first place.

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acaligunner

[FatalKitty]

ak fanboys are hilarious in their fanaticism

fixed

that's why they are fanboys.

I personally love both platforms because they BOTH have their pros and cons

[david619]

How many Russian's own AR platform rifles vs America's who own AKs?