Anybody ever bought a rifle from Red Jacket Firearms (yes, the sons of guns people)

[NorCalK9.com]

Get a dragunov. It is a long range russian rifle, that costs about 1000 dollars less than the hack job AK, and I'm willing to bet is more accurate at longer distances

Dont know where youre gonna find a true dragunov but a psl is nice but id prefer a 308.

[Merc1138]

Get a dragunov. It is a long range russian rifle, that costs about 1000 dollars less than the hack job AK, and I'm willing to bet is more accurate at longer distances

Have you seen how much a dragunov actually costs? The "dragunov" rifles you see on sale for $700-$1000 are romanian PSL's, they do not operate like a dragunov at all.

[bob7122]

They seem like a smoke and mirrors shop. $1800 for a lightweight AR15 that's basically a Carbon 15 rebranded as a "Katana"????!!!!

Just look at their prices. That should tell you everything you need to know about the shop.

this^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Subotai]

A 1000 yard ak shouldn't be that hard to do. A match barrel on a 308 and kill the gas system with a cut off like the yugos.

Easy, then hold it like a mortar and you're good to go!

[repubconserv]

Have you seen how much a dragunov actually costs? The "dragunov" rifles you see on sale for $700-$1000 are romanian PSL's, they do not operate like a dragunov at all.

I did not know that. Does this mean you think a Romanian PSL would be worse than a "1000 yd" saiga?

[Peter W Bush]

AKs already have sights you can use out to 1000 yards lol. And they don't cost $2800

[Merc1138]

I did not know that. Does this mean you think a Romanian PSL would be worse than a "1000 yd" saiga?

Wouldn't know, they never shot their 1000 yard saiga at 1000 yards so we could see what it could/couldn't do.

Keep in mind that the PSL and Dragunov do both use the same round, 7.62x54r compared to the AK's 7.62x39, have twice the effective range of the AK, and their cartridge has a heck of a lot more room for powder as well as higher pressures. Of course effective range shouldn't be confused with maximum range, as other people have already commented you can lob a round 1000 yards with an AK. But if I can lob x39 1000 yards, I can lob x54r 1000 yards and further.

It would have been nice to see if the 1000 yard AK of theirs could actually hit anything intentionally at that distance, but I doubt we'll ever know.

Peter W Bush, they do but it's not realistic. It's holdover from the older rifles that had sights up to 2000 meters in some instances, purely for volley fire and not aimed shots. It's to make it rain lead if you have enough troops, not headshots.

[dougolupski]

I like the show. I'm mean come on they shoot guns and blow stuff up, it's good tv.

I did get anoyed over the not using a proper depth guage. Sure an eye ball works but a depth guage makes it even better in the fit and finish. I came from the race industry and we made sure all parts were within .001-.0005. Thats cars, not a weapon that could potentialy blow up in your face.

[Press Check]

I watch the show religiously, but only because there's nothing else worth watching on that particular day, during that particular hour. At best, it's somewhat entertaining, but the owner seems to think that he has the market cornered in mall tested and ninja approved conversions, and acts like he's a day or two away from earning a U.S. Defense contract. Arrogance at it's finest.

[NorCalAthlete]

Show is crap. I watch a little bit of each episode to see if they're going to do anything interesting. Once in a while they pull through, generally with the renovations of relics or the time they built a .50 cal M2 from the OEM parts kit. I think their craftsmanship is garbage, and I wouldn't want them working on any of my guns let alone anything I was thinking about purchasing, but it's interesting to see the old stuff being built.

Hell, I live in a 1 bedroom apartment and have everything they do but the lathe/mille or whatever that they never use. Well, I don't have a press anymore, but...they really do have some shoddy workmanship. Not to mention completely unoriginal ideas and highly irritating personalities.

[Press Check]

they really do have some shoddy workmanship. Not to mention completely unoriginal ideas and highly irritating personalities.

That's an understatement, my friend.

[Peter W Bush]

Wouldn't know, they never shot their 1000 yard saiga at 1000 yards so we could see what it could/couldn't do.

Keep in mind that the PSL and Dragunov do both use the same round, 7.62x54r compared to the AK's 7.62x39, have twice the effective range of the AK, and their cartridge has a heck of a lot more room for powder as well as higher pressures. Of course effective range shouldn't be confused with maximum range, as other people have already commented you can lob a round 1000 yards with an AK. But if I can lob x39 1000 yards, I can lob x54r 1000 yards and further.

It would have been nice to see if the 1000 yard AK of theirs could actually hit anything intentionally at that distance, but I doubt we'll ever know.

Peter W Bush, they do but it's not realistic. It's holdover from the older rifles that had sights up to 2000 meters in some instances, purely for volley fire and not aimed shots. It's to make it rain lead if you have enough troops, not headshots.

LOL I know. It was an AK joke.

I think they did shoot it at 1000 yards, IIRC. My brother read on some forum they post on that it took them 3 hours to hit the target.

[sevensix2x51]

What I find amazing, is that everybody in this thread so far (at least it seems) has a subscription to cable television. I could never find it in my heart to pay money to have people try to sell me crap I don't even want, when I'm trying to relax. At least with internets and firefox adblockplus, the marketing is targeted, and I see ads for stuff in which I may actually have an interest.

Never seen the show, never intend to watch the show, but I sincerely (really, I'm not being tongue-in-cheek, I promise) thank you all for sparing me the time it takes to look the show up online. Hope y'all have a wonderful evening, and I hope that sweet baby Jesus bestows you all with a firearms show that doesn't totally (metaphorically) suck golf balls through garden hoses.

[digdug74]

They seem like decent folk but you have to wonder what's going to happen to that operation when the Discovery Channel pulls the plug in another season or two and they no longer have all that wonderfull "TV" money rolling in to help prop up their business. They'll have to go back to the bread and butter work of actually building/selling guns for a living which from what I can tell they're only about average at.

That Katana episode really killed me. They've got that gun on their website for around $1800.00. You could build or buy a similar AR for much less.

Also, who needs a 1000 yard AK? How much enengy is that round going to have left at a 1000 yards anyway? Isn't that what bolt action rifles are for?

[Dhena81]

They seem like a smoke and mirrors shop. $1800 for a lightweight AR15 that's basically a Carbon 15 rebranded as a "Katana"????!!!!

Just look at their prices. That should tell you everything you need to know about the shop.

I would have had more respect for them if they would have used a VEPR receiver or beefed up the receiver somehow. I couldn't believe he didn't want to buy a tool to check the chamber. If he would have started with a VEPR .308 or something then they could have used some match ammo.