Is the Magpul AFG Considered a Forward Pistol Grip ?

[Josh3239]

Okay, I posted photos of monte carlo stocks because it is the same shape as a AFG. Therefore an AFG cannot be a pistol grip if a monte carlo stock isn't. A thumbhole stock is irrelevant because it is a stock and a thumbhole stock at that. The pistol grip stocks are relevant because they have a nearly same definition as a vertical foregrip. Additionally the law doesn't decribe a vertical foregrip as a thumbholes style grip, it describes it as a pistol style grip so the point is moot. If you wanted to put a little thumbhole rest on your handguards you can, just as long as the rest doesn't have a pistol style grip.

This really isn't hard. A pistol style grasp is a pistol style grasp. If you so worried about it slap a bullet button on it.

Not saying one way or the other, but it does look like these thumb hole stocks that would be a feature. I would be concerned if your thumb would fit in the opening.

[ke6guj]

No... i read an article from a guy who got a response from DOJ. if you do a google search for it and do some looking you will find it.. was on another forum, same discussion and a guy posted the letter her received...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-381738.html

I don't see a response from CA DOJ. I do see a response from ATF, which covers the federal aspects, but without a response from CA DOJ, we don't know what CA's position is on the subject.

[chead]

I would honestly rather no one send a letter to the CA DOJ about it.

[Fot]

Okay, I posted photos of monte carlo stocks because it is the same shape as a AFG. Therefore an AFG cannot be a pistol grip if a monte carlo stock isn't. A thumbhole stock is irrelevant because it is a stock and a thumbhole stock at that. The pistol grip stocks are relevant because they have a nearly same definition as a vertical foregrip. Additionally the law doesn't decribe a vertical foregrip as a thumbholes style grip, it describes it as a pistol style grip so the point is moot. If you wanted to put a little thumbhole rest on your handguards you can, just as long as the rest doesn't have a pistol style grip.

This really isn't hard. A pistol style grasp is a pistol style grasp. If you so worried about it slap a bullet button on it.

But if you can get you thumb in the openeing on the Magpul afg, then you would be capable of a pistol style grip in the same manor as the thumb hole stock just below it.

[chead]

But if you can get you thumb in the openeing on the Magpul afg, then you would be capable of a pistol style grip in the same manor as the thumb hole stock just below it.

There is no way. Have you used an AFG? No one is getting their thumb through the hole let alone doing so with a "pistol-style grip".

[Fot]

There is no way. Have you used an AFG? No one is getting their thumb through the hole let alone doing so with a "pistol-style grip".

Nope never handled one. Just going off pictures.

[chead]

Nope never handled one. Just going off pictures.

Gotcha, yeah, the hole in the middle is really small. I can basically get the tip of my thumb in for grip but it's not going through as a hold.

[jonc]

mmmmmmmmmmm

i wouldnt

[mod1217]

Gotcha, yeah, the hole in the middle is really small. I can basically get the tip of my thumb in for grip but it's not going through as a hold.

Yeah im with chead there is no way you could safely put your thumb inside the AFG and safely fire the gun. If you do you run the risk of breaking it off during recoil

[Fate]

You can get a pistol style grasp on the AFG (see pic below). This, along with many other reasons I've posted elsewhere show it's a potentially risky move putting one on a Featureless semi auto in CA.

Posted by technique long ago:

[starsnuffer]

It isn't a forward pistol grip. You're either pushing the bounds of the law or you're flopping around under its foot like a mostly dead fish.

-W

[vintagearms]

I run one on my featureless. There is an BATFE letter about it but you will never see a letter from the CA DOJ.

[68Datsun510]

Agreed. Stock Saiga fore-end for me and maybe a small rail for a light???

[MrPlink]

I don't see a response from CA DOJ. I do see a response from ATF, which covers the federal aspects, but without a response from CA DOJ, we don't know what CA's position is on the subject.

yep, and without said response it would require a test case.

I ran a featureless rifle with an AFG for a very long time, and never got any grief for it (though practically speaking if you have an evil black rifle and an overzealous LEO decides to target you it probably wont matter how "legal" your gun is_

On the other hand, I dont want to be a test case, even though I firmly believe it is NOT a pistol grip

[MrPlink]

I run one on my featureless. There is an BATFE letter about it but you will never see a letter from the CA DOJ.

exactly, if we cant even get a thumbs up on mag locks, odds are slim we would get one for using an AFG. Ask me how I know...