Is the Magpul AFG Considered a Forward Pistol Grip ?

[WWHD116]

I am considering building a featureless AR type rifle, and I was wondering if the magpul AFG is considered a "Forward Pistol Grip" in the AW list of evil features? Could I install this on a featureless rifle and use a detachable magazine?

Product link for those not familiar with the AFG http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/110

any Input is appreciated.

[Inquirer]

Heated debate on these forums. A lot of the consensus is that it is a feature, but many Calgunners feel safe rocking them. A quick search would've turned up this exact same information, just as a heads up. But there's no definite ruling from DOJ.

[motorwerks]

what he said.

I say safe, but who knows what the DA will say???

[Josh3239]

Then most Calgunners don't know what a pistol grip is. AFG is the same exact shape as a Monte Carlo stock or a Monsterman grip. If the AFG is a pistol grip than so is your illegal Monte Carlo stocked M1A/Mini 14s and featureless ARs.

Is it really that unclear?

≠ pistol grip

= pistol grip

[762.DEFENSE]

I'm comfortable with having an AFG on my AR Pistols, but I'm hesitant about putting one on my AR's that are "featureless" builds.

I'm okay with the AFG on a DRACO/AR Pistol because of the BATFE letter that acknowledges the AFG as not a VFG, and doesn't demand AOW status.
BATFE ruling/letter here: http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...fore-grip.html

[Sicarius]

Technically no but I wouldn't want to get into a schooling match with an ill informed LEO.
Kevin

[WWHD116]

Yes it does not have a "wrap around hold" like a pistol grip, but it dos protrude conspicuously from the front rail. which is why I posted this question in the forum. I don't want to be a DOJ guinea pig for a new precedent. I love California, and it's perfectly sane gun laws (sarcasm)

[GettoPhilosopher]

≠ pistol grip

Perfect picture! Thanks, I talked to CA DOJ Firearms on the phone a few weeks back, they asked me to draft a letter...I'm working on it, albeit slowly, and any pics like this help a lot.

[WDE91]

when you get your letter together, send it over to one of the many legal eagles, for a quick look over

[CK_32]

No I forgot where but a while back there was a huge thread arguing this and it is not considered a pistol grip. This is the way around it but still getting some support up front.

[WW2Buff]

Perfect picture! Thanks, I talked to CA DOJ Firearms on the phone a few weeks back, they asked me to draft a letter...I'm working on it, albeit slowly, and any pics like this help a lot.

OOOOOOH! I'm excited! I want to put one on my featureless and though I feel it's safe am still not willing to risk it. Please post a thread with the results. -Ben

[68Datsun510]

Any updates???

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[QUOTE=Josh3239;6758149]Then most Calgunners don't know what a pistol grip is. AFG is the same exact shape as a Monte Carlo stock or a Monsterman grip. If the AFG is a pistol grip than so is your illegal Monte Carlo stocked M1A/Mini 14s and featureless ARs.

Is it really that unclear?

≠ pistol grip

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Not saying one way or the other, but it does look like these thumb hole stocks that would be a feature. I would be concerned if your thumb would fit in the opening.

[68Datsun510]

Not necessarily "unclear", just was wondering if any definitive "judgement" had been issued. Thanks =)

[REDdawn6]

No... i read an article from a guy who got a response from DOJ. if you do a google search for it and do some looking you will find it.. was on another forum, same discussion and a guy posted the letter her received...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-381738.html