Flying to Montana and bringing AR. Configuration Questions.

[stom_m3]

I am planning on flying to Montana with my AR15 and an AR15-22.

Questions for my AR
I would like to shoot my AR15 w/o the CA BS nannies in place. I was planning on building a lower in standard AR configuration and working magazine release but with collapsible stock. Would it be legal if I separated the upper and lower and checked in with them in the same case or does the upper and lower need to be in different cases. Also, the lower would have a collapsible stock attached. Do I have to take off the buffer tube and stock if the lower has a standard mag release and no monster man grip?

Questions for my S&W AR15-22.
If I buy 25 round magazines in Montana, can I disassemble them and bring them back to CA? Or should I just leave them there.

Thanks for the help,
steven

[xxINKxx]

That's still constructive possession I think since the only thing the now non bullet button AR lower can be attached to is a centerfire upper that's 2 inches away from eachother in the same bag.

Just leave a BB in, it takes what..30 seconds to max swap out? And maybe 4 seconds if your just using a raddlock and you won't even need to swap mag releases. If you own a monster man grip you can slap that on as long as the gun will be featureless.

As far as the mags. You can bring them back if they are 100% disassembled. And you will never be allowed to use them in CA, so they will just collect dust til you travel to a free state or if zombies attack CA. Cant use them legally either even if your using a featureless rifle. In the eyes of the law you didn't legally obtain them befor the high cap ban within CA state lines.

[morrcarr67]

That's still constructive possession

No such things for standard AR rifles. SBR yes.

But like you said there are so many ways to make a BB an easy release. Why build a whole new lower?

[Bigbird19]

Buy a whole new lower..... gives you an excuse to buy another gun.

[guns_and_labs]

I go to Montana all the time. Raddlocks all the way.

Sometimes I leave the 20 & 30 rounders there with a friend, sometimes I bring them back in pieces and in my "Montana" box. Depends on whether I feel like cleaning them.

[dieselpower]

there is no law identifying a firearm broken down into its parts as anything but that firearm. That being said it would be up to a Jury if it was an AW or not..the law is mute on this. WE feel its not an AW.... I am 100% positive there are people who believe otherwise.

leave the BB on. It takes all of 3 minutes to replace the BB with a normal magazine lock and then re-install it prior to returning.

3 minutes vs a LIFE LONG RESTRICTION ON OWNING FIREARMS

its not worth it.

I hate this about firearm laws.... In California if you do not stand on one leg, jump up and down, then bark like a dog...you are a convicted FELON and that conviction is VALID in states without that requirement. So if in CA you need a BB and get busted without it...that bust is valid in Arizona as a felony that prevents you from owning a firearm...

[1lowluv]

Just take a bullet button magnet with you. No swapping of anything.

[CHS]

Just take a bullet button magnet with you. No swapping of anything.

Which is great until you lose it, and then you're stuck in Montana with a bullet button and everyone is laughing at you.

Why are people SO AVERSE towards just swapping the bullet button while out of state with a real magazine release? It takes seconds to do and requires no real tools.

Plus, when you're in Montana using some sort of contraption on your magazine release people are going to wonder what's up. Why bother explaining to them California law? Just blend in. Put the normal magazine release on the gun and switch back to the bullet button before you fly home.

In the pistol grip of all my AR's (except my .22lr) I keep:

• (1) OEM Magazine Release Button
• (1) OEM Magazine Catch Spring
• (1) Bullet Button Tool
• (1) Red Bullet Button Wrench

Generally, when I'm on short trips where I don't actually know if I'll be doing much shooting ahead of time, I'll just use the bullet button wrench. I screw it down, do some shooting, and then take it off. If I'm out of state to actually shoot, I use the bullet button tool to remove the bullet button entirely and then install the OEM release. Takes less than 30 seconds. And takes less than 30 seconds to reverse. All of the parts go back into the pistol grip.

[stom_m3]

Which is great until you lose it, and then you're stuck in Montana with a bullet button and everyone is laughing at you.

Why are people SO AVERSE towards just swapping the bullet button while out of state with a real magazine release? It takes seconds to do and requires no real tools.

Plus, when you're in Montana using some sort of contraption on your magazine release people are going to wonder what's up. Why bother explaining to them California law? Just blend in. Put the normal magazine release on the gun and switch back to the bullet button before you fly home.
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Actually replacing the BB never crossed my mind but now that you and others have pointed it out it does make the most sense. I should have thought about it sooner.

Thanks everyone for there advice/opinion. Saved me from building a new lower.

steven

[guns_and_labs]

Which is great until you lose it, and then you're stuck in Montana with a bullet button and everyone is laughing at you.
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Plus, when you're in Montana using some sort of contraption on your magazine release people are going to wonder what's up. Why bother explaining to them California law? Just blend in.

Cuz they're laughing anyway, at your attempts to blend in?

As to swapping out the mag release, I personally am incapable of doing so without sending the spring flying at least once, but that's me. More nimble fingers, I'm sure, can do it smoothly in the darkness of a Nevada rest stop en route to Montana.

[WDE91]

This is the reason why I love the Raddlock

the tool that you use to release the magazine can be found anywhere
simple small flat head screw driver

CA legal screw driver POKE drops mag
Free'r states unthread unthread it acts like a normal mag release

I keep the included release tool in my my pistol grip so I always have it with the rifle

I normally use a mechanics styled pocket screwdriver with a magnet up top