Why 5.45x39 is the best SHTF cartridge

[Josh3239]

People on this board way over think twist rate. You'd think by being on this board that if you use a light bullet with a faster spinning twist or vice versa that you cannot hit the broad side of a barn. If your looking to win competitions and squeeze every bit of accuracy you can get out of your rifle, sure worry about twist rate. If you're looking to put holes in things, just shoot your rifle. If it is zero'd there is no reason you shouldn't hit it.

[rexbo47]

Yeah, like there'll be tons 5.45x39 just lying around waiting for you to pick it up and stuff it in your vest.

[comblock]

Its the cheapest battle cartridge out there. For under 3 grand you can buy 20000 rounds.

[toby]

Wrist Rocket! there are plenty of rock's

[Bizcuits]

I'd say .223 / 5.56 is the best SHTF ammo.

Why?

Because they will be plenty of it laying around when you really need it.

[RAMCHARGER]

i HAVE A POINTED STICK )

[woods]

Where do you buy 20k rounds for 3000$ sounds like a good deal for a plinker at the range. I might look into this but not for shtf just lhtp (lead hit the paper)

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[r6raff]

The main issue with 5.56 fragmentation out of a 11.5-16" barrel occurs at longer ranges, pretty much the shorter barrel the closer the target needs to be to achieve effective fragmentation for a more fatal shot. Against soft bodies I think 5.56 in its effective range is one of the best, it will make softball sized craters in a mans torso if fragmentation is achieved.

You are right though, there isnt that magic round that will simultaneously penetrate a brick wall while also fragmenting 8" of penetration, but really, there arent many rounds that will do anything like that. Personally I stock pile m193 and 855, between those two rounds I will be fit to fight against unarmored and lightly armored personnel within ~300 meters effectively with a 16" barrel.

I like the 5.45 round, but as others have said it is not as common and 5.56x45 or 7.62x39. Granted as some have pointed out, you can always commandeer the recently deceased ammo as well as their weapon, but I would rather keep my own weapon and just worry about ammo, and I would prefer to have a more common round so I will stick with 5.56, 7.62, 9mm, .45 and 12g.

Lets hope this is never an issue though, I hope to die an old man with a **** ton of stockpiled ammo

[CHS]

The best SHTF cartridge is the cartridge that you have ANY amount of.

I'd rather have a brick of .22 in a SHTF situation than only 1 round of anything else.

[r6raff]

Its the cheapest battle cartridge out there. For under 3 grand you can buy 20000 rounds.

20k rounds would be nice, but if you need to bugout and would have to rely on scavenging ammo I would go with a different round.

9mm side arm and a 9mm AR upper for the win. Also get a 18" AR in 5.56 and an AR pistol. 2 common rounds, 4 effective platforms, hell all you need to do is have 1 lower with spare parts and you would have yourself a pretty light load out and can carry plenty of .223 and 9mm

[Stone]

5. Not as sensitive to barrel length like 5.56x45

By not as sensitive, you mean that it cannot be counted on to fragment from any barrel length, in comparison to the 5.56 which can reliably fragment out of sufficient barrel lengths...thereby making it "sensitive"? If the 5.56 doesn't fragment you'll just get performance on par with the 5.45...

[23 Blast]

Wrist Rocket! there are plenty of rock's

Yes, but you have to realize that in CA, we have an overabundance of igneous-origin rocks which, while having greater sectional density than most sedimentary rock, is prone to irregularities and differences in density (even within a small projectile), which renders accuracy iffy at best. Plus you have to deal with the fact that most rocks are shaped inoptimally for flight. Their basic aerodynamics makes a Mini 14 look like a tack driver by comparison.

What you ought to do is go to the local Toys-R-Us, and buy up all the marbles you can get your hands on. Yesterday I bought every damn marble in their store. Not only does it not ring alarm bells at BATFE, the marbles have myriad other uses, including toys for your children (when SHTF, all those PS3's, XboXes, and Nintendo DS will quickly become nothing more than plastic junk), they can also be used as booby-traps in your bunker, a-la Home Alone, and lastly, can be used as a nasty load in your shotgun!

[toby]

^^^^^^^^^^There you have it.....

[Lead Waster]

I'd say .223 / 5.56 is the best SHTF ammo.

Why?

Because they will be plenty of it laying around when you really need it.

Well, that's what other people will say to when they find our corpses clutching our expensive ARs!

[r6raff]

Well, that's what other people will say to when they find our corpses clutching our expensive ARs!

hahaha, I am more optimistic than you are, where do you live? and do you have a good stockpile?