Discuss: CA Legal and fully functional Home Defense Carbine

[r6raff]

If you MUST bugout, why in God's name would you do that with a bullet button installed. Think about your logic for a moment. You want to play by the rules when society is collapsing before you. Do you think the roving squads of criminals will be worried about a featureless build? C'mon partner...

Yea, in that scenario, raddlock is getting unlocked, and ill be using all my 30 and 20rnders with my rifle to boot. Hightailing it to Nevada where all the cool kids with FA are holding out... I want to be on their team

[QQQ]

Yea, in that scenario, raddlock is getting unlocked, and ill be using all my 30 and 20rnders with my rifle to boot. Hightailing it to Nevada where all the cool kids with FA are holding out... I want to be on their team

The last thing I would do in TEOTWAWKI is head out to a place where I know there's a bunch of survival-minded strangers with FA rifles. To them, I'd just be another target.

[motorwerks]

Hey,
Get a cheap Mossberg 12 gauge and fill with your choice of rounds. Nothing says get out of my house like a chest full of 12 gauge. When the cops show, point them to the carcass, show them the Mossberg, and say "I want my lawyer". Who cares if the Mossie comes back from the PD, plenty more where that one came from. Spend you money on a fun range gun and don't compromise.
Eric

I just happen to know they have a 500 already....

I also have to say I like the way you think!!!! Off I go to Big 5 to pick up a 500

[r6raff]

The last thing I would do in TEOTWAWKI is head out to a place where I know there's a bunch of survival-minded strangers with FA rifles. To them, I'd just be another target.

Hahaha, you bring up a very valid point... Either another target or a oneway delivery of large amounts of ammo with disposable carriers. I also live in the North State so im kinda already in gun crazy land. Where the hell do I go then... tree forts I guess, swissfamily robinson style.

[motorwerks]

CA legal -- M-16 magazines -- reliable --


Meet Mister One -- Benelli MR-1

I have to admit, as much as I wanted to hate these...... turns out they aren't half bad. I haven't shot one yet but I its .223 its not like its going to have a ton of recoil.

[deadcoyote]

Here's my two corroded used pennys. While I am a much bigger fan of the 7.62x39 round for under 200 yard applications, you'd be much better served with a 5.56 due to overpenetration issues with the x39 round in your subdivision. I would recommend either a mini-14 or a Saiga with the bullet guide in 5.45x39 (? not sure exactly what the com bloc .223 equivalent is). The Saiga / AK-74 mags are cheap and ammo is plentiful. If you're put off or uncomftorable with corrosive ammo, go with the 5.56 mini-14.

[IPSICK]

Totally, I use this as a right handed shooter and I can see this setup favoring lefties for sure. Feeding from a belt or chest rig isnt to much of an issue, still happens pretty damn quick. The only issue I see is it is pretty much impossible to do tactical reloads unless you use both hands or do some real clumsy *** juggle. Eitherway it is pretty damn effective considering the alternative, for HD though I will probably go to the handgun. Bugout, my AR will be right by my side 24/7 with as much 556 as I and my family members can carry.

I just can't see how pulling from a belt is effective considering I would likely have a sidearm on my right side as well. With only 10-rounders as an option I'd need multiple mags with only so much room on my belt and having to reach for them behind my back. I guess I need video.

[dieselpower]

Situation: My wife and I are in the process of replacing our main home defense gun, a Beretta 92 series pistol as it never fit either of us very well. Preliminary pawing of guns at the local sporting goods and gun stores put various wheel guns and M&P's are on the top of the handgun list right now. However, we are also considering a carbine as we already have another home defense pistol and have always wanted a semi-auto centerfire rifle. We live in an 850sq/ft house in a neighborhood where the average lot size is about 5000 sq/ft. The longest possible unobscured shot within our property would be about 50-75 yards. This will also serve as our "bugout gun".

Requirements:
No bullet buttons (fail of logic)
Removable magazine
Carbine length
Reliable
Not only practical for HD, but fun to shoot at the range or in the woods as well (all of our guns double as fun guys)
MOA accuracy isn't required, but it should be accurate enough to enjoy at the 50 yard line
No exotic calibers
$1000 MAX budget, prefer $900 or less

There you have it. Discuss! I've already got a short list worked up in my head, but I'll keep that to myself in favor of a more open discussion. Interested to hear what people have to say.

You want an AR15, originally chambered in 5.56, then just buy different uppers and a .22lr conversion bolt to start with.

Why do you care about a BB? Its a NON-issue. I have nothing against the grip systems out there, but people who have issue with the BB have no validity to their claims or fact of real world situations to back up their claims...

I can swap my BB for a real magazine release in less time then you can load a 30rd magazine (without Clips). If it EVER came down to that... where hordes of zombie commy soldiers are storming my barbed wire fence line and my m249 SAW gunner has taken a crit hit to the chest...I will remove the BB.

Please don't buy into the "Im a SEAL Ranger Spec-Ops Guy" I need to drop magazines like they do mindset. Its not rational thinking. It takes less than 1 second MORE to swap a magazine with a BB installed. 10rds is more than enough to deal with whatever you TRULY will encounter in REAL LIFE. A few extra 10rd magazines and you can hold off that zombie horde...then find a quick 1 minute to swap the BB for a real release button if needed...

[motorwerks]

OH OH OH OH OH I have it. Take that 500 of yours, swap out the barrel for an 18.5, and then buy a nicer shoty for the trap clubthingy!!!

[IPSICK]

You want an AR15, originally chambered in 5.56, then just buy different uppers and a .22lr conversion bolt to start with.

Why do you care about a BB? Its a NON-issue. I have nothing against the grip systems out there, but people who have issue with the BB have no validity to their claims or fact of real world situations to back up their claims...

I can swap my BB for a real magazine release in less time then you can load a 30rd magazine (without Clips). If it EVER came down to that... where hordes of zombie commy soldiers are storming my barbed wire fence line and my m249 SAW gunner has taken a crit hit to the chest...I will remove the BB.

Please don't buy into the "Im a SEAL Ranger Spec-Ops Guy" I need to drop magazines like they do mindset. Its not rational thinking. It takes less than 1 second MORE to swap a magazine with a BB installed. 10rds is more than enough to deal with whatever you TRULY will encounter in REAL LIFE. A few extra 10rd magazines and you can hold off that zombie horde...then find a quick 1 minute to swap the BB for a real release button if needed...

I definitely agree with your point in bold but could you describe your mag change process using bullet buttons? Do you use a UBBT equipped mag or something else to release the magazine?

[motorwerks]

PS Radlocks take less time to swap back and come with a tool that fits into the pistol grip.

[dieselpower]

I definitely agree with your point in bold but could you describe your mag change process using bullet buttons? Do you use a UBBT equipped mag or something else to release the magazine?

100% UBBT or like system. The tool on the next magazine is a genius idea. I would reward them with buying their product, but you are free to do as you would.

The only situation where you would not have an extra magazine, to remove your empty magazine, is if you are just dropping them and leaving them on the ground.... in that ONE situation you are screwed anyway and are planning to win or die trying. When you last magazine is dry...its over.

If you carry clips, then a bullet on the clip is the tool..9 and not 10...BFD the last round has your name on it..cuz you don't want to be eaten alive.

[JB-Norcal]

Since you state that your 92 doesn't fit, I'll assume it's big and that smaller would be better. How about a PG 410 or 20 shotgun? not a big ticket buy. Or maybe a SU-16CA for under 600, it gives you 3-10 round mag capability, and can accept USGI 30's if available.
I'd go with another wheel gun or SG of your choosing, and use some of your budget for some HD training, it's fun and gets the 2 of you on the same page. You can have all the tools in the world, but if you're not able to use them correctly, or at least confidently, then it kind of defeats the purpose.

[dieselpower]

another thing before I hit the gym.

The AR15 one of the only firearms where you can be an expert in its repair in a few hours spent surfing the Internet. A few weeks of watching 1.5 BILLION videos on-line, 1.5 BILLION retailers suppling parts... the saturation of the AR15 into the firearms community is the strongest point the rifle has. For all its flaws [if you can fine one]... there is an AR15, or parts to repair one, within walking distance of any US household.

buy 1 or 2 lowers, and you and the wife build it yourselves. Its easy really and you are a member here...one of us can help even over the phone if need be. After putting one together you know all the parts, and if anything goes wrong you know or at least have an idea of how to fix it.

all a person needs in this world is a Glock, an AR15 and a multi-tool...thats it.

[Standard]

You want an AR15, originally chambered in 5.56, then just buy different uppers and a .22lr conversion bolt to start with.

Why do you care about a BB? Its a NON-issue. I have nothing against the grip systems out there, but people who have issue with the BB have no validity to their claims or fact of real world situations to back up their claims...

I can swap my BB for a real magazine release in less time then you can load a 30rd magazine (without Clips). If it EVER came down to that... where hordes of zombie commy soldiers are storming my barbed wire fence line and my m249 SAW gunner has taken a crit hit to the chest...I will remove the BB.

Please don't buy into the "Im a SEAL Ranger Spec-Ops Guy" I need to drop magazines like they do mindset. Its not rational thinking. It takes less than 1 second MORE to swap a magazine with a BB installed. 10rds is more than enough to deal with whatever you TRULY will encounter in REAL LIFE. A few extra 10rd magazines and you can hold off that zombie horde...then find a quick 1 minute to swap the BB for a real release button if needed...

Thank you, this needs to be understood by most people who think this way.

I have the "ultimate bullet button tool" installed on all of my mags. It's a little nub near the bottom of each mag that I use to depress the BB with, then load itself into the magwell.
So I'm in shooting position, release right hand while retaining grip on rifle with left, grab magazine with right hand, use it to depress the BB, mag drops free, rotate new mag slightly, insert, close bolt. Takes very little time at all.