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  • #16
    goodlookin1
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 2557

    I'm pretty sure you'd be okay because I thought you must have all the FA parts to make a machine gun in order to be busted for Constructive Possession (like a DIAS, or a lightening link, etc). Actually, the auto sears are machine gun parts themselves so they MUST be registered, because if not, it's an automatic Constructive Possession if you also own an AR-15......even if they are not installed in the weapon.

    Do not take my word for it though....I am not absolutely 100% on it.

    Even still, what's the point though if you know you cant make a FA rifle? Just play it safe and get the standard parts kit. Then there's no question about it.
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    • #17
      problemchild
      Banned
      • Oct 2005
      • 6959

      The bolt carrier is the only safe piece to own. The trigger group would allow the gun to slam fire on civilian ammo(and the cops know which primers are the most sensitive I assure you), no sear needed, causing it to be classified as a machinegun and sending you to jail. Run dont walk away from the Felony parts.



      David Olofson is an honorably discharged U.S. Army veteran who was tried, convicted, and sentenced to 30 months in federal prison by the U.S. Government on the charge of "transferring an unregistered machine gun" after he lent his 20-year old semi automatic Olympic Arms AR-15 style rifle to a friend, Robert Kiernicki. At the time of manufacture, this model of rifle was legally manufactured with a few M16 fire control parts because these parts by themselves will not cause automatic fire. Olofson's rifle malfunctioned at a shooting range called "The Conservation Club" as a result of the hammer not properly resetting and instead following the bolt forward, emitting multiple rounds and immediately jamming three times in a row. "Hammer follow" is a dangerous and unpredictable malfunction that can happen to semi automatic firearms when a part is worn. The quick multiple rounds aroused suspicion in someone at the range that the rifle was possibly an automatic weapon, which are not allowed at many public ranges. Police were called and later that day the rifle was confiscated from Robert Kiernicki at his home.[1][2] Six days after the range incident and confiscation of the malfunctioning firearm, a Green Lake county sheriff's "SWAT" team, in concert with the Berlin police department, and agents from the BATFE (20 officers in all) were sent to David Olofson's home to conduct a "dynamic entry" and arrest him, despite the lack of any violent or evasive behavior on Mr. Olofson's part.

      Kiernicki testified that Olofson had told Kiernicki that the third position of the rifle's firing selector was for automatic firing, but it jammed, court records indicate. He also testified Olofson told him he had fired the weapon on the automatic setting at that same range without a problem.[3] According to Len Savage, a weaponry expert who runs Historic Arms LLC, BATFE paid Kiernicki an undisclosed amount of money for his testimony.[4]

      David Olofson began serving the 30 month sentence at the federal penitentiary at Sandstone Minnesota in July 2008. All federal courts up to the U.S. supreme court have since denied David Olofson's appeals.
      [edit] Definition of "machine gun"

      The prosecution advanced an argument, one that it consistently made throughout the trial, that: “a machine gun is any weapon that shoots more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger.” whether Olofson’s AR-15 shot more than one shot at the single pull of the trigger as a result of a “hammer follow” malfunction “makes no difference under the statute: If you pull the trigger of a firearm once and it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause, it’s a machine gun.”[5]

      Olofson requested the court include the definition of “automatically” set forth in Staples v. United States: “that once the trigger is depressed the weapon will automatically continue to fire until its trigger is released or the ammunition is exhausted.” Refusing Olofson’s request, the trial court omitted the Staples definition, instructing the jury in the language of the statute that: “a machine gun is any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single pull of the trigger.”[5]
      Last edited by problemchild; 03-29-2011, 12:19 PM.

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      • #18
        goodlookin1
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 2557

        Originally posted by problemchild
        The bolt carrier is the only safe piece to own. The trigger group would allow the gun to slam fire on civilian ammo(and the cops know which primers are the most sensitive I assure you), no sear needed, causing it to be classified as a machinegun and sending you to jail. Run dont walk away from the Felony parts.



        David Olofson is an honorably discharged U.S. Army veteran who was tried, convicted, and sentenced to 30 months in federal prison by the U.S. Government on the charge of "transferring an unregistered machine gun" after he lent his 20-year old semi automatic Olympic Arms AR-15 style rifle to a friend, Robert Kiernicki. At the time of manufacture, this model of rifle was legally manufactured with a few M16 fire control parts because these parts by themselves will not cause automatic fire. Olofson's rifle malfunctioned at a shooting range called "The Conservation Club" as a result of the hammer not properly resetting and instead following the bolt forward, emitting multiple rounds and immediately jamming three times in a row. "Hammer follow" is a dangerous and unpredictable malfunction that can happen to semi automatic firearms when a part is worn. The quick multiple rounds aroused suspicion in someone at the range that the rifle was possibly an automatic weapon, which are not allowed at many public ranges. Police were called and later that day the rifle was confiscated from Robert Kiernicki at his home.[1][2] Six days after the range incident and confiscation of the malfunctioning firearm, a Green Lake county sheriff's "SWAT" team, in concert with the Berlin police department, and agents from the BATFE (20 officers in all) were sent to David Olofson's home to conduct a "dynamic entry" and arrest him, despite the lack of any violent or evasive behavior on Mr. Olofson's part.

        Kiernicki testified that Olofson had told Kiernicki that the third position of the rifle's firing selector was for automatic firing, but it jammed, court records indicate. He also testified Olofson told him he had fired the weapon on the automatic setting at that same range without a problem.[3] According to Len Savage, a weaponry expert who runs Historic Arms LLC, BATFE paid Kiernicki an undisclosed amount of money for his testimony.[4]

        David Olofson began serving the 30 month sentence at the federal penitentiary at Sandstone Minnesota
        Not that I disagree with you, but he also intentionally made his gun this way....it was not an accident or a "malfunction" in that he was completely unaware that it would happen. Many people are troubled by this case because of the misinformation: Olofson is no victim of bad circumstances.....he was trying to get away with full auto by pretending he had a malfunction. "Worn parts" was causing full auto and he kept them in the gun rather than replacing them.
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        • #19
          problemchild
          Banned
          • Oct 2005
          • 6959

          Originally posted by goodlookin1
          Not that I disagree with you, but he also intentionally made his gun this way....it was not an accident or a "malfunction" in that he was completely unaware that it would happen. Many people are troubled by this case because of the misinformation: Olofson is no victim of bad circumstances.....he was trying to get away with full auto by pretending he had a malfunction. "Worn parts" was causing full auto and he kept them in the gun rather than replacing them.
          Where did you get that info? Also note that the guns slam fired and he went to jail, bottom line! M16 parts will allow the gun to slam fire.

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          • #20
            kenjimatic
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 884

            Undercover ATF sting?

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            • #21
              goodlookin1
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 2557

              Originally posted by problemchild
              Where did you get that info?



              Originally posted by problemchild
              Also note that the guns slam fired and he went to jail, bottom line! M16 parts will allow the gun to slam fire.

              And this excerpt from TheFiringLine: It was from the govt sentencing memorandum (link to doc now dead). Forum is at: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335832


              I have read other threads on Calguns that indicate the same thing. His case was not based on a misfire or a true malfunction.....it is based on an intentional modification to fire fully automatic with the selector in the 3rd position!
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              • #22
                Fate
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2006
                • 9545

                Originally posted by bombmaster
                [B][I]They can be possessed in Ca. Just not legally by the average Joe. An illegally imported full automatic Bushmaster XM15 E2S was used in the North Hollywood shootout. So just the bag guys get them.
                Here's pics of that actual firearm (from the LAPD Museum in Eagle Rock/Silverlake):





                sigpic "On bended knee is no way to be free." - Eddie Vedder, "Guaranteed"

                "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson
                , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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