Saw something beyond questionable last night

[Hunter158]

Went out to the range last night... Was shooting a MMG equipped feature-less .223 when these two guys come in. They set up right next to me, and they pull a rifle out that looks similar. Except...
Open mag well
stock standard mag release
flash hider
collapse able stock
pistol grip.

I notice they occasionally are having problems with the magazines (regular 10 round mags), so I asked what lower he had started with. He told me it was a Stag 15. I asked what Magazine release he was using (considering the pistol grip and other features), and he told me "the one that came with the kit... the regular one". I went on to ask, not a bullet-button, or Prince-50? "No", he then confirmed the regular one. I asked if he knew that what he had was beyond questionable... He said he did, that he was going to order a bullet-button, but had not yet.

They then packed up and went home (I hope). He wasn't interested in continuing the conversation.

I found this to be unbelievable considering this site, and all of the advice and information that is available. I mean, you never know who is right next to you. Like the SDPD person standing next to me through the whole conversation... AND he was chomping at the bit!!! I mean, as long as you attempt to make it CA compliant, he's good with it. BUT these two guys had not tried to do anything.

I guess the point is that it only takes a few of these idiots to give the others that have tried to work within the law, a bad name.

[arguy15]

I have always believed that it is no ones business but the owners how they have their rifles set up. If they want to take a risk that is on them. If anyone ever asks me about the legality of my rifle they will get a “none of your business” even though everything I have is legit.

[Pryde]

Went out to the range last night... Was shooting a MMG equipped feature-less .223 when these two guys come in. They set up right next to me, and they pull a rifle out that looks similar. Except...
Open mag well
stock standard mag release
flash hider
collapse able stock
pistol grip.

I notice they occasionally are having problems with the magazines (regular 10 round mags), so I asked what lower he had started with. He told me it was a Stag 15. I asked what Magazine release he was using (considering the pistol grip and other features), and he told me "the one that came with the kit... the regular one". I went on to ask, not a bullet-button, or Prince-50? "No", he then confirmed the regular one. I asked if he knew that what he had was beyond questionable... He said he did, that he was going to order a bullet-button, but had not yet.

They then packed up and went home (I hope). He wasn't interested in continuing the conversation.

I found this to be unbelievable considering this site, and all of the advice and information that is available. I mean, you never know who is right next to you. Like the SDPD person standing next to me through the whole conversation... AND he was chomping at the bit!!! I mean, as long as you attempt to make it CA compliant, he's good with it. BUT these two guys had not tried to do anything.

I guess the point is that it only takes a few of these idiots to give the others that have tried to work within the law, a bad name.

Way more common than you might think, I see it all the time at Burro and Angeles.

Whats worse is the people who know about this site and know the laws but still choose to go open magwell + features because they are not worried about laws.

[dfletcher]

If they had said - "Button, what button?" (or asserted they were OK & said thanks, leave me the heck alone) at least their actions are based on ignorance and our complicated laws rather than knowingly and willfully violating the law. You've got to believe that there are alot of people who do not know the law, but if they were to find this forum they would become educated and comply. Doesn't sound like that's the case with these folks.

[aplinker]

Can't breed in prison. Let natural selection take its course.

I've seen it a few times. A couple of guys pulled a Stag out of the box (I saw them cut the tape), stuck a 30rd mag in it, and started doing mag dumps. I asked them where they were from, where they got it, if they were LEO. I was shooting pistols so I played dumb. I asked them where I could get one. Then I asked if it was legal. They shrugged and went back to shooting.

[RudyN]

People like that are nuts and give those of us who want to follow the law (even though it is stupid) a bad name. They are the excuse that the antigun nuts use to try and take away our guns. A Bullet Button is what, about $20, and a few minutes time to install? That is what stand between you and a Felony conviction which will prevent you from ever owning any guns. My next AR build will have a Bullet Button and it will be on there before any upper even comes close to it.

[jumbopanda]

Why do people feel the need to grill other shooters about the legality of their guns? It's none of your business who's doing what with their guns, if they want to risk it, its their choice. But there are also plenty of people with registered AWs who would probably find it pretty annoying if they had to answer the same questions every time they went to the range.

[Jicko]

I notice they occasionally are having problems with the magazines (regular 10 round mags), so I asked what lower he had started with. He told me it was a Stag 15. I asked what Magazine release he was using (considering the pistol grip and other features), and he told me "the one that came with the kit... the regular one". I went on to ask, not a bullet-button, or Prince-50? "No", he then confirmed the regular one. I asked if he knew that what he had was beyond questionable... He said he did, that he was going to order a bullet-button, but had not yet.

I also truely believed that it is "none of your business" to stick your nose and try to "figure someone else" out.... they can be LE and they can be MIL.... and they do not have to disclose to you who they really are....

Like the SDPD person standing next to me through the whole conversation... AND he was chomping at the bit!!! I
mean, as long as you attempt to make it CA compliant, he's good with it. BUT these two guys had not tried to do anything.

I guess the point is that it only takes a few of these idiots to give the others that have tried to work within the law, a bad name.

I guess, if you truely believed that you had witnessed a crime (a felony.... possession of an assault weapon), you can always call the cops on them. Note down the make, model, color, lic-plate of their vehicle, and their direction of travel....

Just like, if you witnessed a fight, a rape etc... you would call 911, right? Possessing an illegal assault weapon is a felony crime.

[TMC]

+1

There are thousands of registered rifles from before 2000 out there, I have more than one so it takes someone trying to the be smartest guy at the range to make an issue about weather it is an OLL rifle and how it is configured. If we all just keep out mouths shut, enjoy the sport of shooting and stop trying to tell other guys what they are or are not doing wrong there won't be any problems.

I was at a public range some months back and some range know-it-all saw me shooting my short rifle with a 14.5 barrel with a pinned Vortex. I overhead the guy telling the guys next to me that the rifle was illegal. Then he got up nerve to talk to me and insisted it was illegal. The problem was he wouldn't shut up long enough to listen to me, his mind was made up. These people we don't need, nobody there had a problem with my rifle but him so he could show everybody how smart he thought he was.

People breaking the law with an illegal configuration are not going to be the straw that sets the legislature in motion to get rid of these guns, the Dems in this state want that already, it will take some idiot comitting a very high profile crime with one and unfortunately nothing can stop that.

[ar15barrels]

But there are also plenty of people with registered AWs who would probably find it pretty annoying if they had to answer the same questions every time they went to the range.

That was me at Angeles last weekend.
I brought my 700 and my 3 gun rifle (Bushmaster lower with my own upper) out to zero and plink with.

I had at least a couple comments about my registered AR from people that thought I must have been a noob.

You would think that wearing an AR15barrels.com T-Shirt would have been enough of a clue...

[hoozaru]

tell me about it.
sunday just saw someone at burro with WASR-10.
pistol grip, folding stock, no mag lock and yes semi-auto.
I told him itd be wise to remove the pistol grip and pine that folding stock.
even showed him how to do it. Guess wut he said, "well, I wil just take it back to ******* (gunshop name) and check with them."

[tteng]

..People breaking the law with an illegal configuration are not going to be the straw that sets the legislature in motion to get rid of these guns

-1.
Brady-bunch is going to love this in their ad: gun-oweners are bunch of law-breakers. Self-policing is important among us to raise the profile of our group: Correct attitude and self-respectable. Otherwise, our fight is uphill enough as it is.

[ghettoshecky]

Yeah I usually ask if they are around my age or looks like they wouldn't have been 18 before the ban. I don't ever give them flack or go off on them I simply ask to see if I could help with advice. If the guy looks old enough I think people should leave them alone because there's a good chance he's LEO or owns a registered assault rifle. The reason I try to give advice is that I've met a quite a few young guns who just want to have a blast and not realize what they're doing is illegal, h*ll I might be one of them if I didn't find this site. I might be like them coming back from a show with a nice new pistol gripped WASR-10 with no BB thinking it's alrite cuz I purchased it legally.

[phish]

I had at least a couple comments about my registered AR from people that thought I must have been a noob.

part of the reason I don't hit the 100 yard ranges anymore

It's not my fault I look younger than I really am.

People tend to think there is no such thing as a pre-reg rifle since they never even owned any rifle until OLL mania.

It's ironic how Iggy is derided, yet other shooters mimic the same behaviour towards other shooters at the range.

seriously, don't hate, and MYOFB

[rkt88edmo]

330 posts = newb

just kidding.

That was me at Angeles last weekend.
I brought my 700 and my 3 gun rifle (Bushmaster lower with my own upper) out to zero and plink with.

I had at least a couple comments about my registered AR from people that thought I must have been a noob.

You would think that wearing an AR15barrels.com T-Shirt would have been enough of a clue...

I think self policing is helpful and important. Self importance, righteousness and rudeness are not. When people start getting busted for stupidly illegal OLL setups it will bring more heat on all of us. I don't thin we are responsible for their actions, but a friendly hint or conversation isn't out of the question.