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  • #16
    CWM4A1
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 1135

    I have seen one with disconnecter that is too weak cause a .22 built go nuts but that is not quite the same as what OP is experiencing...
    NRA certified RSO, Pistol/Rifle/Personal Protection Inside The Home instructor, Certified SIG/Glock pistol armorer.

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    • #17
      G38xOC
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 3749

      It appears springs are in right way . I will upload some pics where u can see

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      • #18
        G38xOC
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 3749

        little hard to see .. sorryabt bad quality pics

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        • #19
          G-forceJunkie
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2010
          • 6417

          With the upper off like in your pic, with the saftey off, hold the trigger to the rear. Cock the hammer by hand untill it "clicks" This should be the disconnector grabbing it. It should stay in position. Now let the trigger go (but hold your hand over the hammer it incase it flyes forward on accident.) The hammer should go "klunk" as it comes off the disconnector and catches on the sear hooks and nose of the trigger. If it doesnt stop, ya, something is wrong with the hammer, disconector, and or trigger.

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          • #20
            G38xOC
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 3749

            I followed Pacrimguru steps 1 - 9 .. all checked out okay . except one thing

            number 6 .. if i let go slowly , thats when hammer drops ( and burst fire happens )

            but if let go little faster , it works normal

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            • #21
              G38xOC
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 3749

              Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
              With the upper off like in your pic, with the saftey off, hold the trigger to the rear. Cock the hammer by hand untill it "clicks" This should be the disconnector grabbing it. It should stay in position. Now let the trigger go (but hold your hand over the hammer it incase it flyes forward on accident.) The hammer should go "klunk" as it comes off the disconnector and catches on the sear hooks and nose of the trigger. If it doesnt stop, ya, something is wrong with the hammer, disconector, and or trigger.
              yea , at least i know everything is installed correctly . gota be between hammer and trigger .

              gona call rifle gear n see what they say

              thanks

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              • #22
                Cokebottle
                Seņor Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                This is not totally uncommon, and underscores the need for a full function check before assembling the AR and running live ammo through it.

                Full function check when the LPK installation is complete, and another one with the upper attached to make sure everything works properly when the bolt is in place and functioning.

                BTW: Keep that lower disassembled (remove the LPK), get back to Riflegear, and PM a mod and request that this thread be deleted.
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • #23
                  fuzz415
                  Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 227

                  Originally posted by Cokebottle
                  BTW: Keep that lower disassembled (remove the LPK), get back to Riflegear, and PM a mod and request that this thread be deleted.
                  Just wondering why would this thread need to be deleted? seems that there is relevant info here. are you afraid of riflegear getting bad press? Im only asking since it seemed like an unusual request.

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                  • #24
                    pointedstick
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 566

                    Originally posted by fuzz415
                    Just wondering why would this thread need to be deleted? seems that there is relevant info here. are you afraid of riflegear getting bad press? Im only asking since it seemed like an unusual request.
                    Your burst-firing AR is a Federal felony in case any bored ATF agents are lurking around waiting to ruin people's lives.
                    Last edited by pointedstick; 02-21-2011, 10:49 AM.

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                    • #25
                      r3dn3ck
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 1900

                      it's a malfunctioning gun, not a machine gun. It wasn't designed or intended to work the way it is (burst)... I can't see how that's even remotely illegal. It does need to get fixed true enough... I mean there is the now you know about it factor but it's not like you modified it with parts designed to accommodate full auto fire. Just pull the FCG out and send it in for replacement. Don't waste time on busticated parts and certainly don't go out and shoot it just because it's now a fire-hose. No sense drawing attention to yourself.

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                      • #26
                        Cokebottle
                        Seņor Member
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32373

                        Originally posted by r3dn3ck
                        it's a malfunctioning gun, not a machine gun. It wasn't designed or intended to work the way it is (burst)..
                        Doesn't matter.
                        There can be debate over it's legality, but there have been situations where a gun failure has resulted in convictions.

                        There was a similar thread a few days ago that didn't last 5 hours before the OP had edited his message to "...", and the thread deletion soon followed.
                        - Rich

                        Originally posted by dantodd
                        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                        • #27
                          Cokebottle
                          Seņor Member
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 32373

                          Originally posted by fuzz415
                          Just wondering why would this thread need to be deleted? seems that there is relevant info here. are you afraid of riflegear getting bad press? Im only asking since it seemed like an unusual request.
                          It's not a Riflegear problem, it's a Stag or assembly problem.
                          - Rich

                          Originally posted by dantodd
                          A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                          • #28
                            bohoki
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 20825

                            i see a little nick on your disconnector it looks like that hammer is hitting it there

                            that hammer looks a bit odd to me a little too squared off

                            what is the lower brand

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                            • #29
                              dieselpower
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 11471

                              Originally posted by Cokebottle
                              It's not a Riflegear problem, it's a Stag or assembly problem.
                              It could be a LPK problem, (out of spec parts)
                              It could be a OLL problem, (out of spec lower)
                              It could be a BCG Problem, (out of spec part)

                              Please don't bash a company based on some guys limited info.

                              For all you guys know his Colt BCG has a stuck firing pin and its slam firing at times...

                              I can hold my AR15 and get it to burst fire while dry firing too. Its not illegal its a mechanical trick by holding the hammer with one hand and pulling the trigger SLOWLY with the other hand. You can't do it when the upper is installed and its firing real ammo. So his "playing" with his lower has no relevant information beyond is it assembled correctly.

                              1) Are the holes properly drilled in the lower?
                              2) Are the LPK parts properly milled?
                              3) Is the firing pin getting held out causing a slam fire?
                              4) Are you actually BUMPFIRING and not realizing it?

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                              • #30
                                Cokebottle
                                Seņor Member
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 32373

                                Originally posted by dieselpower
                                Please don't bash a company based on some guys limited info.
                                I was just pointing out that it's not a Riflegear problem. They didn't manufacture the parts or assemble the gun.
                                I can hold my AR15 and get it to burst fire while dry firing too. Its not illegal its a mechanical trick by holding the hammer with one hand and pulling the trigger SLOWLY with the other hand. You can't do it when the upper is installed and its firing real ammo. So his "playing" with his lower has no relevant information beyond is it assembled correctly.
                                I tried it on 3 lowers last night and I can't duplicate it. One LPK is a new Stag that I just got Saturday, one is an RRA, and one is a TDS stainless from the group buy and I ended up replacing the hammer because it was way out of spec.

                                Now, the disconnector on the new Stag does seem "odd"... it's very tight, and doesn't rock either as freely or as far as the one on the other two, but I'm not getting trigger slap when I smack the hammer down smartly, and the disconnector grabs every time and the trigger resets properly.
                                1) Are the holes properly drilled in the lower?
                                This would be the only other thing given the reported function. If the hammer hole is too high or too far forward, it could miss the disconnector.
                                - Rich

                                Originally posted by dantodd
                                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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