AR15/10 legality questions.

[Inland_Empire_Shooter]

I just turned 18 and had many of "my" long guns transfered to me through my grandfather. I am looking to buy an ar15 or possibly an ar10 to add to that collection. If I have a bullet button on my AR can I still have evil features? If so how many? Can I keep a dummy round on a lanyard attached to the forend, or would that disqualify it as a tool? My grandpa has tons(literally like 50) of pre ban 30 round mags for his ar, and a few for his ar10 can he transfer them to me legally somehow? Do ar10's abide by the same rules?

Hooray for my first post This place is awesome, I have been lurking about reading some of the awesome threads for a few days now. I'm home lol. Thank you very much in advance for your replies!

[Secret]

I just turned 18 and had many of "my" long guns transfered to me through my grandfather. I am looking to buy an ar15 or possibly an ar10 to add to that collection. If I have a bullet button on my AR can I still have evil features? Yes If so how many?As many as you want Can I keep a dummy round on a lanyard attached to the forend, or would that disqualify it as a tool?It would be illegal and a tool My grandpa has tons(literally like 50) of pre ban 30 round mags for his ar, and a few for his ar10 can he transfer them to me legally somehow? Do ar10's abide by the same rules?

Hooray for my first post This place is awesome, I have been luring about reading some of the awesome threads for a few days now. I'm home lol. Thank you very much in advance for your replies!

I could only answer some of your questions that I was certain on! Dont worry more answer will come!


If I am wrong, spank me

[I am BUD]

I think you are ok on the lanyard. Yes you can have evil features. No go on the mags. Yes, AR-10's are the same.

[Cyc Wid It]

Attaching the tool to the gun = it is no longer a tool = illegal. You cannot use any of those magazines unless you alter them to 10 rounds or less/disassemble them and only use them out of state.

[Inland_Empire_Shooter]

A dummy round attached to the rifle via a lanyard would be illegal and a tool? If it is tool then it is legal correct? I'm quite new to ar's and don't have much experience with them, forgive my ignorance, and thanks for the quick responses!

Edit oh nevermind that seems to be illegal. Darn. How about to my wrist? Bummer about the mags.

[Cyc Wid It]

You can put it on your wrist or attach it to your spare magazine (like the ultimate bullet button tool).

[bwiese]

Your questions indicate that you should - please! - read and understand the AW flowchart and ask questions here before you take possession of an AR, etc.

The bell curve peaks for technical screwup gun violations around age 24-25 (i.e., young enough not to think other than on impulse, but finally has some money to get toys) and I'd like to save you the grief of that, and risk of felony charges.

A maglock like a BulletButton indeed allows the gun to have other 'evil features' (telestock, pistol grip, flash hider) because it then does not have a detachable magazine nor cannot accept (nor have the capacity to accept) a detachable magazine. (A nondetachable magazine is nondetachable by formal regulatory law definition, even if it is removable with a tool.)

One big *DO* - DO read and understand PC 12276.1, and the regulatory definitions in 11 CCR 5469. Be able to quote them.
Understand WHY the BulletButton is legal and be able to express it under stress, with some verbal agility.

Several "don'ts":

• Do NOT have the mag removal tool attached to the gun where it can be usable while attached
  (i.e., string or lanyard). There is substantial risk that this tool is then considerable as part of
  the gun and thus this could risk the mag being considered detachable.
  .
• Do NOT use a hicap magazine in a maglocked (BulletButton, etc.) gun. That triggers a secondary
  definition of AW (semiauto centerfire rifle with fixed mag holding over 10 rounds).
  
  If your gun is 'featureless' (MonsterMan or SolarTactical grip, or U15 or ExileMfg nonthumbhole
  stocks and no flash hider and no telestock) you can use your grandpa's hicap mags WHILE IN
  HIS DIRECT PRESENCE.
  .
• Do NOT take possession of hicap mags from your grandpa. If you didn't own/acquire/possess
  hicap mags a decade ago (before the Jan 1 2000 cutoff date) you can't have or acquire them
  now.
  .
• Travel discreetly with your AR. Don't throw it or the case on your back seat - minimize prospective
  LE involvement in a traffic stop. Don't drive around looking like a dirtbag - my prototypical 'problem
  child' is a loudmouth tattooed young dude in a lowered purple Honda with a cracked windshield.
  Even if the gun is completely legit, you will have extended interaction.
  .gt

Don't get cute and try to skirt what I've written or be cute and think you've invented some new way of getting around something. I've gotten enough crying phone calls for a lifetime.

[glock21fan]

If you have a FIXED mag, weather it be bullet button, radlock, or otherwise. you can have the evil features. but it must be a 10 round mag. don't tie the tool to the rife since the tool is not intended for mag exchanges. technically your Grandfather is not allowed to give you the 30 rounders anyway. also you must be 21 years old to purchase a stripped lower receiver or 18 to buy a complete one for a rifle build.

welcome

[PsychGuy274]

Edit oh nevermind that seems to be illegal. Darn. How about to my wrist? Bummer about the mags.

Wrist is fine.

My buddy found a thing that goes on your right middle finger with a point on the end. Seeing as it is on your finger it's not on the gun so it's still considered a tool. I don't know what it is though and I personally wouldn't use one so I won't have to get caught up explaining it to a LEO.

[bwiese]

I think you are ok on the lanyard. Yes you can have evil features. No go on the mags. Yes, AR-10's are the same.

JEEZUS H. KEERIST, please STFU when you don't know what you're talking about.

YOU WILL GET SOMEBODY PUT IN JAIL. It's generally not a good idea to 'guess' about felonies.

A magazine removal 'tool' attached to a lanyard/string will likely be regarded as 'part of the rifle' and lose its 'tool' status - with a high risk of the mag then, regardless of the Bullet Button, being regarded as detachable.

[PsychGuy274]

JEEZUS H. KEERIST, please STFU when you don't know what you're talking about.

YOU WILL GET SOMEBODY PUT IN JAIL. It's generally not a good idea to 'guess' about felonies.

A magazine removal 'tool' attached to a lanyard/string will likely be regarded as 'part of the rifle' and lose its 'tool' status - with a high risk of the mag then, regardless of the Bullet Button, being regarded as detachable.

I understand where you're coming from because I'm anal about things like that too, but you're being a little harsh.

[bwiese]

I understand where you're coming from because I'm anal about things like that too, but you're being a little harsh.

Perhaps. I think it's OK to be harsh about felony risks.

Also we have had an influx of some new folks popping in with very uninformed suggestions. If they
don't get quickly defused, they stick around and some other poor soul may read them later and
think they were valid. Immediately pouncing on these statements is the best way.

I hate gunnies in jail and/or having cases CGF can't support.

[Inland_Empire_Shooter]

Thanks for all the awesome info guys! Particularly BWIESE. I'm stoked about geeting my ar. Anything else you think I should know? I went through the AW flowchart and the rifle I want to build seems to be legal.

[Secret]

Thanks for all the awesome info guys! Particularly BWIESE. I'm stoked about geeting my ar. Anything else you think I should know? I went through the AW flowchart and the rifle I want to build seems to be legal.

You gotta know 100%!!

[CALI-gula]

I understand where you're coming from because I'm anal about things like that too, but you're being a little harsh.

Not really. When you consider the history, as far back as 2005 when OLL/OLR all came about, the debates, the time spent educating ourselves, the time spent addressing and supporting those Calgunners who had actually been arrested, detained, and spent significant time in jail (BWO) whereas Bill had been a major source of info and clarity as it all unfolded...

...he's not being harsh at all. Bill is right - there is a huge ambiguity about the laws concerning OLR/OLLS running rampant and it does appear to afflict mostly those under age 24 or so coming into their own - but WORSE, many have no regard or care to actually follow the BB/Gripless applications verbatim and are frequently doing such things as installing high-cap mags on fixed-mag (bullet-button) guns, run SB23/AW features on gripless guns, creating SBRs (a guy was just asking about hacking off the stock on his USC today here on Calguns to make it a "pistol") and more.

I have heard more incorrect information in the past year on correctly building/configuring OLL/OLRs than I had ever heard from dealers back in 2005/2006 as it was all coming about.

Be careful out there. The LAPD, SPD, SFPD, Sheriff, CHP BOF/DOJ, and ATF will be a WHOLE lot harsher than Bill appears to be. You can't stress enough how important that is, and coming across harsh just may be necessary or required to express the gravity of the situation.

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