Kickin Around the Idea of Sellin My Belt Feds

[MrPlink]

If you really want to sell, please pm me. My friend is looking for one.

[Beelzy]

Hmmm, and I have a pre-ban belt for one lying around the reloading bench somewhere.

Oh and.........................

[thehummerguy]

Well unfortunately they are both Registred AW's....When you spend that kind of money you don't try and quibble over certain things, one is Legality.
When they were registred there was not alot of info, more specualtion as to whether or not Belt fed qualified as AW in Calif, SO I took the Safest route and registred them. I was a firearms Dealer and knew the gun Laws in and out "At that Time" I fought hard and Long against the AW Ban here in Calif...To no avail. I was not going to have some Moron at DOJ suddenly decide that "hey these are now illegal and you need to turn them in with no amnesty period". It's happend before.......

Anyway....Yes, These are expensive toys, But as some here have said, The House is still a better bet. This is just a bad market. When I am tempted by some actual serious offers I may budge, In the mean time this is just the sort of feedback I am looking for, Makes me start to think about it much more seriously.

[thehummerguy]

Let me try and answer the question on whether or not a beltfed is an AW.
The weapon is a Center fire rifle, it has a Stock, it has a pitol grip.
It has the ability to accept more then 10rds, It has a Flash Suppressor.
I do beleive DOJ ruled that Links by there shear nature are High Cap mags...thus you cannot have them.

Here is the Problem Folks....If you think your Belftfed is legal? Get DOJ to issue you a letter stating otherwise....GOOD LUCK with that one!
In the mean time you end up trying to get your gun back after you pay a lawyer and an expert to Testify......I know a person this happend too.
The Gov't has an endless amount of money for Lawyers unfortunately.

The BELT FED AW topic though I assume has happend here somewhere on CG's many times...just have not searched too deeply yet, this is Just what I know and I may be wrong.

Here is a LINK I Found:

http://www.50bmgstore.com/50bmgfaqs.htm

[Stooman]

I think we definitely need pictures of said weapons to make a well informed decision

[thehummerguy]

I think we definitely need pictures of said weapons to make a well informed decision

LIke I said, You all know what an M60 and M60E3 look like....Plus I don't feel like emptying the safe out to get to them.

[freonr22]

is it shoulderfired, or crew serviced? a .50cal or a 1919=non aw. I have no idea about an m60 though

[thehummerguy]

M60's can be crew served, You have Ammo/Tripod Bearer and then gunner.

I know this from my 17yrs years in the Army as a weapons trainer on these guns....Yes, It is Shoulder fired...it has a Butt stock.

[Untamed1972]

Well unfortunately they are both Registred AW's....When you spend that kind of money you don't try and quibble over certain things, one is Legality.
When they were registred there was not alot of info, more specualtion as to whether or not Belt fed qualified as AW in Calif, SO I took the Safest route and registred them. I was a firearms Dealer and knew the gun Laws in and out "At that Time" I fought hard and Long against the AW Ban here in Calif...To no avail. I was not going to have some Moron at DOJ suddenly decide that "hey these are now illegal and you need to turn them in with no amnesty period". It's happend before.......

Anyway....Yes, These are expensive toys, But as some here have said, The House is still a better bet. This is just a bad market. When I am tempted by some actual serious offers I may budge, In the mean time this is just the sort of feedback I am looking for, Makes me start to think about it much more seriously.

I think however that for the kinda guys who are into high-dollar collector kinda guns like that, they will still have money spend. Yeah, times are tough, but the rich still have money to spend.

[EBR Works]

As noted, the 1919A4 and M2 .50 BMG guns are 100% legal in California since they are not considered rifles. California law is very clear that a rifle is a firearm that is fired from the shoulder. The 1919A4 and M2 do not and never will have shoulder stocks and are considered to be Title 1 long guns. They are not AWs in California, but you still must adhere to the 10 round linked ammo limit unless you possessed 11+ linked ammo or cloth belts prior to the ban. If you convert the 1919A4 to a 1919A6 configuration with shoulder stock, then you must keep it featureless (no flash hider) to avoid needing a bullet button device for the gun. The "crew serviced" language that keeps coming up is not relevant to either as it pertains to California law.

The M60 on the other hand has a shoulder stock and pistol grip making it an AW unless you have a bullet button device for utilization of your 10 round belts. As previously mentioned, a spade grip is a solution to this issue.

All this being said, I wish we had the budget to add an M60 to our lineup. It would be very cool!

[OCArmory]

Now is a tough time to be selling high end guns. I would probably say they would bring in the $6000 range. It just depends on how fast you wanted to sell them.
Mike

[captbilly]

You got that right.

I think however that for the kinda guys who are into high-dollar collector kinda guns like that, they will still have money spend. Yeah, times are tough, but the rich still have money to spend.

As you say the rich still have money to spend. I am no ultra liberal who says take all the money from rich people and give it to the poor but the present tax environment is so pro wealthy that it is beyond ridiculous. I don't want to divulge too much personal info on this board but suffice it to say that I have benefited hugely from the "Bush tax cuts" and like so many like me I see no incentive in any of the tax code to reinvest this money into new businesses that would hire some new workers. I am just as well off buying stocks and tax free bonds, investing in expensive toys (airplanes with accelerated depreciation), and then I can leave my empire to my children tax free so that they start at the top as well. Never in the history of America has there been such a disparity in wealth as there is today, and I say this as someone who is sitting near the top of the pile. But history has shown over and over again that no society will bear forever such inequities. And a lot of those angry people are well armed.

[B Strong]

I have had for many years an M60E3 from US Ord. and an M60 from Springfield Armory sitting in the safe. Needing some possible cash to buy another house I am tempted to sell.
While I am very good at doing research, I have not come up with much on possible price to sell.....SOOOoo, I figured a post to start a gauge.

I don't have any pics, so just think Mint, You know what an M60 looks like and the M60E3 has the longer standard barrel not the shorty.
Now I have seen M60E3 kits on GB that are priced at over 5k...So I am figuring maybe 10k for the E3....

Anyway....let me know your thoughts.

Keep them - now is a terrrible time to sell, unless you find a willing buyer with (long) cash in hand.

Even the NFA market is severly depressed, let alone a niche like semi-auto belt feds.

[ke6guj]

The M60 on the other hand has a shoulder stock and pistol grip making it an AW unless you have a bullet button device for utilization of your 10 round belts. As previously mentioned, a spade grip is a solution to this issue.

All this being said, I wish we had the budget to add an M60 to our lineup. It would be very cool!

or just make it featuresless by converting the PG to a non-PG with something like the Solar Tactical Fin Grip, and remvoe the FH from the barrel.

[B Strong]

M60's can be crew served, You have Ammo/Tripod Bearer and then gunner.

I know this from my 17yrs years in the Army as a weapons trainer on these guns....Yes, It is Shoulder fired...it has a Butt stock.

Or an M60D model with the spade grip assembly.