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Not sure if I am asking the question correctly, but I was wondering how much can I blame the Tula ammo at 100 yards? I will get some groups within an inch and some 5" both with the 308 and 223 tula ammo.
Diego
Diego
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Keep them in the middle
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3 or 4 MOA with Tula ammo is good. Some rifles will shoot better and some worse. Tula ammo is cheap and that's about the best that can be said about it.Using gun control to stop crime is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline!
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Tula is junk... if you're seriously concerned with moa and group size you'll need to shell out for better ammo or match ammo.Comment
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WTF is "reasonable MOA"? either it's match grade or it aint....Comment
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My family has hunted for the past 40 years taking game from 500-900 yards and never bought match grade anything! So there has to be decent ammo that is not Vodka influenced!
I am just looking for some inexpensive ammo that is consistent, so I can get a good idea of how I am shooting. I am not trying to win an Olympic event here.
DiegoKeep them in the middle
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Here's a good article to read.
The guy covers several different ammo brands and compares their accuracy.
PMC doesn't do too bad for being cheap ammo. I've had good results with it as well as with PMC's M855. However, I do love Tula (and cheap Russian ammo) when it comes to plinking.Comment
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That is an awesome post thanks for sharing! I bookmarked to refer back to later.Here's a good article to read.
The guy covers several different ammo brands and compares their accuracy.
PMC doesn't do too bad for being cheap ammo. I've had good results with it as well as with PMC's M855. However, I do love Tula (and cheap Russian ammo) when it comes to plinking."Black Rifle Disease" Once you go black...You never go back!!!
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Well, if your family is such the group of long range hunters, why don't you ask them?
Honestly though, it all really depends on the rifle, ammunition combo, what shoots great in my rifle may not shoot well in yours and vice versa. Additionally your rifle may like one bullet weight but not another, my .308 Hart 1/10 tube love 175 SMKs but hates the 168s.
So, instead of asking what works for others, go out and find what works for you, at the very least its an excuse to go shooting. Also consider reloading.
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I can hit bullseyes at 100yds with federal ammo from Walmart. I can also hit minute of bad guy out to 500yds with cheap $3.59 a box steel ammo from CTD. Depends on what reason I'm. Shooting for. Different guns like different ammo. The only way to find out is try a bunch of different ones.Using gun control to stop crime is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline!
You don't have to get permission to exercise a RIGHT. If you have to get permission or can be told no by the government it is no longer a right. IT IS A PRIVILEGE!
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My personal experience with PMC Bronze .223, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=344096.
No, I'm not associated with PMC in any way, shape, or form.
"When chosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before." - Mae WestComment
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The question of ammo is a big one, no easy answer.
There are two separate issues concerning accuracy as it relates to ammo. The first is if the particular bullet and load you are using works in your rifle. Reasons for one type of ammo working well in your particular gun can be related to the twist rate of the barrel vs. the length of the bullet, harmonic oscillations in the barrel, the particular timing of the movement of the gas system with a particular load, etc. There is no practical way to calculate all this for most of us so we just have to try different ammo and see what works.
The second issue is the consistency of the ammo. You can find a particular load and bullet that works great but if the manufacturer doesn't load every cartridge the same, or the bullets are poorly made (not balanced, inconsistent weight or shape) then you will get flyers. The fact that something is called match ammo doesn't mean that it is the right load or bullet for your rifle, but it generally does mean that special care was taken to ensure consistency. It is possible that some very cheap mass produced ammo could produce lots that are outstanding in your rifle, but another lot made on another machine or by another operator may be very different. Match ammo, if it is the real deal, will seek to minimize these lot to lot or cartridge to cartridge differences.
The thing to look for is ammo that a large number of users have found to be good in a rifle similar to yours. Particularly you need to look at reviews paying attention to the twist of the barrel and semi auto vs. bolt action. Also keep in mind that not all "match" ammo is terribly expensive. you can get Federal Gold Medal Match .308 168 grain for $19 a box, and most shooters consider that ammo to be among the most accurate factory ammo made. Prvi Partizan makes some .308 Match ammo that in 168 and 175 grain that can be had for as little as $14- $16 a box, and many reviews show it to be highly consistent. You can even get Black Hills .223 match ammo for as low as $25- $30 for a box of 50, and this is also considered by some to be as good as it gets. I got a bunch of HSM .223 match ammo for $13 per box, and I believe that you can still get it for that price. HSM is not very well known but some test show it to be as good or even better than Federal Match.
Not all cheap ammo is bad, any more than all expensive ammo is good, but at some point the manufacturer has to save money somewhere if they are going to make really cheap ammo. And some hunting ammo is every bit as good as match ammo, maybe even better (at least for hunting), but you have to understand that in general military ammo isn't very good either for hunting (not the right bullet) or match shooting, because most military shooting doesn't involve or require great accuracy. Even military sniper ammo is generally made by the company who just barely met the spec. but came in with the best possible price (sometimes it is great stuff, sometime not).Comment
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Very nice post CaptBilly. The best way to find the best load for you rifle is to try everything. As pointed out, a gazillion things affect accuracy as far as ammo goes and it is impossible to predict. You have to try as much as you can and see what works best.Comment
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