Sig 556

[BHPFan]

Okay, you are right about the parts but my thought process is this: If I have gotten 500 rounds down range and I am still alive, that is a good day. Remember, whoever you are shooting at is likely shooting back.

You get no argument from me there.

With that said, get a DI rifle. You shouldn't have a problem within those 500 rounds, the parts are everywhere and they are cheap.

Like I mentioned in a post, I have a DI rifle for the reason abundant parts availability

I only own an FN SCAR because I like the recoil impulse and the ergos. Reliability should never be an issue. If it is and you can't clean, count your lucky stars that you were able to put so many heads down without being taken out yourself....

I never said the SCAR is a bad rifle, it is great though expensive. For what I will pay for it (I am interested in it btw), I better make sure it will work for awhile and by that, I mean maintenance and parts availability when it breaks. The maintenance and reliability part is never an issue to me as I always clean and lube my guns. This leaves the only issue of whether FNH-USA will sell me the spare parts for it or will service me when my rifle has problems and that to me makes my final decision on whether to buy it or not.
I apply the same criteria on any rifle that I would buy whether it's SIG556, FS2000, LWRC, SCAR or whatever.

If it's a great product, but the manufacturer/importer tells me to F**K OFF, then I will never buy S**T from them.

[Bongos]

This leaves the only issue of whether FNH-USA will sell me the spare parts for it or will service me when my rifle has problems and that to me makes my final decision on whether to buy it or not.
I apply the same criteria on any rifle that I would buy whether it's SIG556, FS2000, LWRC, SCAR or whatever. .

Well, FS2000 parts are readily available from Browning Inc. LWRC is LWRC, you the only parts which are proprietary is the piston parts and the bolt carrier, all others I beleive is AR. In the back of my mind, I am thinking of buying these spare parts, I just haven't decided if I plan to keep the gun for the rest of my life... as you can see from my iTrader, I go thru lots of guns, afterall, it is a hobby and if you can try the ones you read about first hand, it's beats reading a promo Gun Magazine or what you read on the internet, hands down. What got me in trouble with the Sig556 in the first place, was there were not a lot out when I bought mine, so most research was done on the Web, unfortunately, the guys from Sig556 Forums didn't help as they were fibbing on the accuracy of their rifles.

In my test, the FS2000 is as accurate as the LWRC about 1.5" @100yards, the shortness of the rifle , makes it more of a CQB weapon.

Currently enjoying my LMT LWS 308..... testing for groups and yes it's sub MOA (in a semi 308, it's phenominal!)

[BHPFan]

Well, FS2000 parts are readily available from Browning Inc. LWRC is LWRC, you the only parts which are proprietary is the piston parts and the bolt carrier, all others I beleive is AR. In the back of my mind, I am thinking of buying these spare parts, I just haven't decided if I plan to keep the gun for the rest of my life... as you can see from my iTrader, I go thru lots of guns, afterall, it is a hobby and if you can try the ones you read about first hand, it's beats reading a promo Gun Magazine or what you read on the internet, hands down. What got me in trouble with the Sig556 in the first place, was there were not a lot out when I bought mine, so most research was done on the Web, unfortunately, the guys from Sig556 Forums didn't help as they were fibbing on the accuracy of their rifles.

That is why I didn't purchase the high end non-AR Gas Piston Rifles (SIG556, RobArms XCR, SCAR, MSAR and FS2000) when they first came out. Not just because they are expensive, but I wanted to find a lot of info and reviews as well as read or hear from people about them. I like to read and hear from both sides of the coin (the pros and the cons).
After all, it's my money and I want to get what it's worth not just in firearm performance, but in other intangibles that we discussed.

In my test, the FS2000 is as accurate as the LWRC about 1.5" @100yards, the shortness of the rifle , makes it more of a CQB weapon.

Since that FS2000 came into the discussion, I am seriously considering and looking at it now. Prior to you mentioning the FS2000, I was looking more into a SIG556, a SCAR and an MSAR E4. I have to find out more, which setup is better to make it Cali-legal (Radlock or SolarTactical) and which longer muzzle device to put on.

Currently enjoying my LMT LWS 308..... testing for groups and yes it's sub MOA (in a semi 308, it's phenominal!)

For a DI rifle, it was chosen over the gas piston HK417 by the British.
Since LMT may be up to their eyeballs filling orders for the Brits, I think I'll pass for now.

[sd1023x]

....IF shtf ever becomes real, AR parts are all over the place.... good luck finding sig556 parts after the apocalypse.

AR's have one of the most intensive pm schedules for a rifle, needs a lot of parts.

[MissionMTMan]

You get no argument from me there.


Like I mentioned in a post, I have a DI rifle for the reason abundant parts availability


I never said the SCAR is a bad rifle, it is great though expensive. For what I will pay for it (I am interested in it btw), I better make sure it will work for awhile and by that, I mean maintenance and parts availability when it breaks. The maintenance and reliability part is never an issue to me as I always clean and lube my guns. This leaves the only issue of whether FNH-USA will sell me the spare parts for it or will service me when my rifle has problems and that to me makes my final decision on whether to buy it or not.
I apply the same criteria on any rifle that I would buy whether it's SIG556, FS2000, LWRC, SCAR or whatever.

If it's a great product, but the manufacturer/importer tells me to F**K OFF, then I will never buy S**T from them.

I didn't try to come across as contradicting you. I was just restating your main points. Ya, I am a little worried about spare parts for the FN SCAR at the moment but I have a good feeling they will be offered in the years to come. I just hope I don't break anything until then...haha

[Bongos]

Since that FS2000 came into the discussion, I am seriously considering and looking at it now. Prior to you mentioning the FS2000, I was looking more into a SIG556, a SCAR and an MSAR E4. I have to find out more, which setup is better to make it Cali-legal (Radlock or SolarTactical) and which longer muzzle device to put on..

On my FS2000, I went featureless as the thumbhole is plugged and the 7.62 muzzlebrake is pinned on


After owning my FS2000, I was thinking of getting the MSAR-E4 as it took AR PMAGs but after handling one, the point of having both bullpups were marginal (though I am seriously interested in these as price has gone down to the $1300-$1400 .. FS2000 if you can find one in CA still hoovers around $1850-$2000), ny buddy whom has both Steyr Aug and the MSAR said it also groups like the LWRC...1,5 to MOA.. Another entry was the PS90, but new having another caliber which I do not mind except the 5.7x28 round is finicky to reload and FN is the only ammo mfg.

The thing is, what you give up in size with the bullpups, you give up nice trigger, the bullpups triggers are not horrible but not as nice as a two-stage AR trigger.

[BHPFan]

On my FS2000, I went featureless as the thumbhole is plugged and the 7.62 muzzlebrake is pinned on

That is something I will look into. I will PM you sometime later for the details.

After owning my FS2000, I was thinking of getting the MSAR-E4 as it took AR PMAGs but after handling one, the point of having both bullpups were marginal (though I am seriously interested in these as price has gone down to the $1300-$1400 .. FS2000 if you can find one in CA still hoovers around $1850-$2000), ny buddy whom has both Steyr Aug and the MSAR said it also groups like the LWRC...1,5 to MOA..

I was considering MSAR-E4, but it seems to me that MicroTech is not a big company like FN and if it goes under, I will be stuck SOL with a firearm that has no support and assuming parts don't interchange with Steyr, no parts available. Besides, while the MSAR is not a bad rifle, I prefer where the FS2000 ejects empty cases.

Another entry was the PS90, but new having another caliber which I do not mind except the 5.7x28 round is finicky to reload and FN is the only ammo mfg.

That's one thing that turns me off about the PS90 and the Five-Seven, the ammo is only manufactured by FN.

The thing is, what you give up in size with the bullpups, you give up nice trigger, the bullpups triggers are not horrible but not as nice as a two-stage AR trigger.

but... from our discussions, I am under the impression their triggers seem to be nicer than SIG 556 as you said you shoot your FS2000 better.

I guess I will end up with another FN rifle again (I owned FN FALs and FNC and currently have an AR15/M16 FNMI DI upper) for a non-AR Gas Piston rifle that I am planning to get next year.

Thanks for the info.

[Bongos]

but... from our discussions, I am under the impression their triggers seem to be nicer than SIG 556 as you said you shoot your FS2000 better..

Sorry ot misrepresent, the trigger on the Sig556 is better

Also I bought the FS2000 already CA legal from Tiger (whom is also in this thread, you might want to orun it by him), the FS2000 is Civilian version of the F2000 Military Issued rifle, so I think it's going to be around for a while