Sig 556

[sd1023x]

Steve,

I'm glad you love the Sig556 (I still think the Sig556 sucks pond water).. the FS2000 you sold me though is a joy to own and shoot.. Cheers

Also, my findings were done at the same time as the gent whom tested the different ammo, but as you can see.. our findings were similar.. the Sig556 is great in everything except accuracy and weight...

Sorry your experience was so horrible and I don't have any weight issues. Eh, people always have different findings and experiences.

http://accuracynut.com/gear_sig-sauer-sig556

http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/sigs-556-swat?page=2

[SoCal Gunner]

Keep an eye out for Turner's sales where you get a Sig556 model with a "free" Sig 522. I say "free" because they inflate the regular price a bit, but for the pair its a pretty good deal. I think they've done it with both the Sig 556 and Sig 556 Swat Classic.

[ruddogg]

Keep an eye out for Turner's sales where you get a Sig556 model with a "free" Sig 522. I say "free" because they inflate the regular price a bit, but for the pair its a pretty good deal. I think they've done it with both the Sig 556 and Sig 556 Swat Classic.

Turners Pasadena was just telling me they JUST had the deal... they may have it again around Christmas... he said it went for about $1600... for both the 556 & 522.

[sd1023x]

Turners Pasadena was just telling me they JUST had the deal... they may have it again around Christmas... he said it went for about $1600... for both the 556 & 522.

You should middleman it from top gun supply or some out of state vendor. lets say 900-1000 for the gun, $50 Dros, $xx.xx middleman fee, you will get it less than anywhere is CA. If your not familiar with the OOS FFL middleman process, you should look into it, save yourself some money.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114642404165506914083.00048b2087cdc99a18b2f&z=4

[tiger222]

Steve,

I'm glad you love the Sig556 (I still think the Sig556 sucks pond water).. the FS2000 you sold me though is a joy to own and shoot.. Cheers

Also, my findings were done at the same time as the gent whom tested the different ammo, but as you can see.. our findings were similar.. the Sig556 is great in everything except accuracy and weight...

Hey K

Glad you are still enjoying the FS, I miss it from time to time
Yeah the SIG556 is my poormans HK G41 and it works for me, as I don't demand too much from it. Perfectly reliable and my friend who is a LWRC guy and very picky likes it too. Actually all my friends who have shot it, like it. I'm good with the weight, I think it adds to the low recoil signature, but wish accuracy was just a little better. But for money spent, I'm not complaining.

[Bongos]

Hey K

Glad you are still enjoying the FS, I miss it from time to time
Yeah the SIG556 is my poormans HK G41 and it works for me, as I don't demand too much from it. Perfectly reliable and my friend who is a LWRC guy and very picky likes it too. Actually all my friends who have shot it, like it. I'm good with the weight, I think it adds to the low recoil signature, but wish accuracy was just a little better. But for money spent, I'm not complaining.

To me, the money spent ($1100-$13000) could get you a really nice AR or something else. One thing though, the last Sig556 I sold had what I thought would make the gun the best in balance and fit as possible, granted the accuracy cannot be help, but the practicallity was improve emmensely. What I did was replace the stock with Magpul CTR, the front handguard with a Sig551 handguard. Sights were replace with front Sanson flip ups and rear would be either a LMT fixed or Troy; these mods made the gun more CBQish and practical, even the weight felt good

Actually this gun sort of remind me of the FN FNC

[BHPFan]

Actually this gun sort of remind me of the FN FNC

Which should not be surprising because the FNC, like the SIG 556, is a long stroke gas piston rifle with a similar system to an AK.

BTW, I can speak for the FNC because I DID own one and SHOT one. Not particularly accurate as a DI AR, but not due to its long stroke system, but more because it has a heavy trigger pull, heavier than a standard mil-spec AR15/M16 if you will.

Do I think the FNC is a good firearm? yes. It is not built for accuracy, but it is very reliable as I fed different type of ammo. Definitely, an AK-like rifle, but more accurate than an AK and just as reliable, going bang when you pull the trigger.
If I have to compare between the FNC and the SIG 556, I feel the FNC is better the following areas:
- a much more solid metal folding stock, which was the version that I had;
- a much better ergo handling as you don't have to move your hand too much to control the safety lever.
Of course, it has drawbacks:
- heavy trigger pull
- rifle was heavy despite having alloy receiver.
- firing pin can break or get lost when you detail strip it; hence, I had two spares.
- At the time that I owned it (10 years ago), it was very limited when it came to accessories.

To sum it up, it is like a FAL (the pistol grip, safety lever, iron sights, gas port control valve and buttstock) with an AK operation (the gas system and bolt operation) and using STANAG AR15/M16 mags.

[Bongos]

the FNC I had was very well built rifle, granted to get a scope mount on it cost $200, has very little option for upgrade, trigger was not as good as the Sig556, and accuracy was about the same. The advantage was it took AR mags, unlike my Galil ARM which needed an adapter. I think in quality and comparison, both FNC & Sig556 would be the same. THe FNC was a rarity thus made it highly valued.

Since it has been decades since I had my FNC, and my shooting are more precision, it is hard to accept any rifle with the $1000 price tag to not shoot MOA

[BHPFan]

I think in quality and comparison, both FNC & Sig556 would be the same.

I can't say that I agree with you on that one: while I like the SIG 556 for what it is, a very reliable rifle I can take when the SHTF. I just don't think you can compare flimsy plastic with solid metal. Yes, I admit that one of the drawbacks of the SIG556 that I see as well as touch is the plastic stock (whether it's from their early models to the latest models) feels too flimsy. I own and shoot a SIG522, which is a fun plinker BTW, and if the ergos for the 556 is the same as the 522, then its safety control is not well placed within reach of my thumb like with the FNC and the AR15.
I know that the FNC goes bang everytime I pull the trigger, but it's a heavy trigger. I don't know if the 556 has a heavy trigger, but I've "read" from others as well as reviews that it is smooth so I can't comment on its trigger.

THe FNC was a rarity thus made it highly valued.

We can thank Roberti-Roos back in '89 and the Kasler decision in 2000 for that.

Since it has been decades since I had my FNC, and my shooting are more precision, it is hard to accept any rifle with the $1000 price tag to not shoot MOA

If you are thinking more in terms of precision shooting, then why not stay with a DI AR or get a bolt action rifle like the ones offered by Steyr, FN or Remington 700 ?
For the record, I stayed with an AR platform because of more spare parts and accessories availability. I am planning on purchasing another gas piston AR upper (likely Addax). I love to have other rifles like the SIG556, SCAR, FS2000, but have not bought yet because I like to read and hear from others before I put my money on something where parts are proprietary and limited.

Since you mentioned that SIG treated you like crap, then I may not purchase another SIG firearm, but I'll have to see how their CS treats me if I have questions or need something regarding my SIG522. In another thread, someone replied me saying that FN has good CS so I'd like to know if anyone can confirm that.

[Bongos]

I can't say that I agree with you on that one: while I like the SIG 556 for what it is, a very reliable rifle I can take when the SHTF. I just don't think you can compare flimsy plastic with solid metal. Yes, I admit that one of the drawbacks of the SIG556 that I see as well as touch is the plastic stock (whether it's from their early models to the latest models) feels too flimsy. I own and shoot a SIG522, which is a fun plinker BTW, and if the ergos for the 556 is the same as the 522, then its safety control is not well placed within reach of my thumb like with the FNC and the AR15..

Well, when I had the FNC, I remember spot weld marks on the receiver and well as other rough spots, the Sig556 I had recently, both were early models with Sig551 parts, I think the early ones were nicer than what is offered today.

I know that the FNC goes bang everytime I pull the trigger, but it's a heavy trigger. I don't know if the 556 has a heavy trigger, but I've "read" from others as well as reviews that it is smooth so I can't comment on its trigger...

One of the things which made me buy two Sig556 was because of the trigger, it rivals some custom AR trigger, very smooth and crisp

If you are thinking more in terms of precision shooting, then why not stay with a DI AR or get a bolt action rifle like the ones offered by Steyr, FN or Remington 700 ?
For the record, I stayed with an AR platform because of more spare parts and accessories availability. I am planning on purchasing another gas piston AR upper (likely Addax). I love to have other rifles like the SIG556, SCAR, FS2000, but have not bought yet because I like to read and hear from others before I put my money on something where parts are proprietary and limited..

Been there.. still there
I have custom 308 and 260 bolt guns with +1000 yard capability as well as wildcat rounds in both AR and bolt for the 600 yard arena. Distance is dicifer by bullet weight and caliber, I just like the very best of what I can afford for rifles. I have no experience with the SCAR outside of handling one, I do have some exotics like the FS2000, USC, as well as LWRC Piston ARs and yes, these have proprietary parts to each mfg.

Since you mentioned that SIG treated you like crap, then I may not purchase another SIG firearm, but I'll have to see how their CS treats me if I have questions or need something regarding my SIG522. In another thread, someone replied me saying that FN has good CS so I'd like to know if anyone can confirm that.

I also have the 522 and it next to the 10/22 is the only reliable 22lr with many different ammo mfg

[BHPFan]

I have no experience with the SCAR outside of handling one, I do have some exotics like the FS2000, USC, as well as LWRC Piston ARs and yes, these have proprietary parts to each mfg.

I don't have experience with the SCAR and the firearms you mentioned. I love to know more about the SCAR and the FS2000. The LWRC is pretty much proven by people who own and use it so I don't need to go there. The USC, being made by Heckler "f***ing" Koch, is one that I am definitely not buying. Because of proprietary parts, I like to know how good are their CS when you deal with them? We don't have to talk about HK as I already know how they are, but what about FN and LWRC?

I also have the 522 and it next to the 10/22 is the only reliable 22lr with many different ammo mfg

I agree except my 10/22 is not as reliable as I would like.

[drclark]

Sig 556 looks like a cool rifle.. If I could find one used for cheap and I have extra $$ I would probably buy it.

Piston based rifles are all the rage right now but you are going to pay a premium. That being said, ask yourself what you are going to do with a 5.56 rifle. If it is just for normal "range" shooting with the chance of being used in your favorite SHTF scenario then you might want to consider a DI based AR. A new "plain jane" model can be built pretty cheap or even a tricked out one can be found for a steal every now and then in the for-sale forum (think of all the OLL's that came into state during the initial rush - people buying multiple lowers, etc). Take the cost savings and get yourself an optic or a bunch of ammo to practice with.

IF shtf ever becomes real, AR parts are all over the place.... good luck finding sig556 parts after the apocalypse.

It all really boils down to is the price of the rifle over other 5.56 options worth it in your opinion.

drc

[Bongos]

I don't have experience with the SCAR and the firearms you mentioned. I love to know more about the SCAR and the FS2000. .

I have not have any reason to call FN as my FS2000 is doing fine. The FS2000 is an engineering marvel, even the triggerpack (hammer and all) is made of polymer yet this is a proven military rifle...

True the piston guns are all the rage and it should be, able to shoot 10k-15k without cleaning is quite a feat. What you give up is accuracy, as barrel harmonics goes to Sh.. , this is why LWRC went with a Heavy Barrel to minimize the harmonic disruption which help accuracy (1.5" in most bullet weights). DI guns are 1/3 the cost but gain in accuracy (down to .5-1"). If you get a DI with a 1:9, your accuracy increases with the lighter bullets but suffers with the heavier bullets

[BHPFan]

I have not have any reason to call FN as my FS2000 is doing fine. The FS2000 is an engineering marvel, even the triggerpack (hammer and all) is made of polymer yet this is a proven military rifle...

While we can agree that the FS2000 is a good rifle, the main reason I like to know how good is FN CS is because as we all know parts can break.
To me, I like to keep spare parts (Better to have them and not need them than needing them and not have it) for when:
a) rifle has a broken part.
b) SHTF and my rifle breaks.
Who can provide the original parts to a proprietary product better than the manufacturer or importer?
If they don't give me (as a customer) the time of the day, then they will not gonna have my business even if they make the best firearms in the world. Capisce?

[MissionMTMan]

Okay, you are right about the parts but my thought process is this: If I have gotten 500 rounds down range and I am still alive, that is a good day. Remember, whoever you are shooting at is likely shooting back. With that said, get a DI rifle. You shouldn't have a problem within those 500 rounds, the parts are everywhere and they are cheap. I only own an FN SCAR because I like the recoil impulse and the ergos. Reliability should never be an issue. If it is and you can't clean, count your lucky stars that you were able to put so many heads down without being taken out yourself....