Need the strait scoop on Yugo 59/66

[Snakebite4767]

I'm confused and frustrated! I've read everything I can find, and just want know what is correct.

The AW flow chart, as well as the DOJ doc say that if the gun has a fixed mag that hold 10 rounds or less, then the Grenade Launcher does not make it an Assult Weapon... the Flow Chart says "Legal"

The Penal Code 12301 say's that any launching device is a "Destructive Device", and is illegal. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12301-12312

The Public Notice say's that the Zastava SKS Carbine, 59/66, specificly is not legal. http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/zastava.php

It does not say that it is legal if the launcher is remove, it just say's that the gun is illegal... yet, the gun seems to be for sale in California with the launcher removed or replaced with a Brake.


IS THIS GUN LEGAL OR ILLEGAL?

Does removing the Grenade Launcher make it Legal?

Snakebite

[dmax11]

disabling the launcher makes it CA legal, if it did not then CAI would not be selling them to Big 5 right now but they are i know i bought one

the GL has been disabled by CAI by tack welding on a muzzle brake

by the way CAI issued rifle tag that was on mine said (CA APP) on it short for i would assume California approved

[Snakebite4767]

CAI Yugo

http://www.centuryarms.com/flip/catalog-sept10/

Here is a link to their catalog. It specificly shows that the Yugo 59/66 is NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA.

Now I'm really confused.

Snakebite

[Snakebite4767]

Follow up

OK... I called CAI... they said that they use to, but no longer, remove the Grenade Launcher from the 59/66, and therefore, no longer sell it to California.

Next.... I called the California Department of Justice and ask specificly about the Yugo 59/66...... they told me that as long as it does NOT have a removable Magazine, that it is OK......... !!!!!!

I pointed him to the DOJ home page and the Public Notice on the Zastava SKS, and he just continued to say that as long as it doesn't have a detachable Mag... that it is OK.

I don't think that they know what is acceptable or not acceptable.

Snakebite

[metalliman545]

a grenade launcher is in no way the same class as a muzzle brake.
like you said its defined as a launcher, a destructive device.
they wont sell to california C&Rs because it has a grenade launcher, im pretty sure a warehouse that belongs to big 5 in another state is buying them and taking off the launcher so it can be sold in ca.
just like with the AKs. they take the pistol grip off so they can be sold. its like me, i live in a ga bvecause im in the Army. i can buy all those guns, but they have to be cali legal before i can legally bring them into the state.

[paul0660]

????? The public notice says the gun is illegal BECAUSE it has the GL. If no GL, not illegal.

[SJgunguy24]

I'm confused and frustrated! I've read everything I can find, and just want know what is correct.

The AW flow chart, as well as the DOJ doc say that if the gun has a fixed mag that hold 10 rounds or less, then the Grenade Launcher does not make it an Assult Weapon... the Flow Chart says "Legal"

True, the launcher does not make it an assault weapon, that makes it a destructive device.

The Penal Code 12301 say's that any launching device is a "Destructive Device", and is illegal. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12301-12312

The Public Notice say's that the Zastava SKS Carbine, 59/66, specificly is not legal. http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/zastava.php

The 59/66 with the spigot is illegal. If the spigot has been disabled or removed it is then legal to have the rifle.

It does not say that it is legal if the launcher is remove, it just say's that the gun is illegal... yet, the gun seems to be for sale in California with the launcher removed or replaced with a Brake.


IS THIS GUN LEGAL OR ILLEGAL?

Does removing the Grenade Launcher make it Legal?

Snakebite

The law will not say whether something is legal, only what is illegal. Everything else is therefore legal. It says the Zastava 59/66 with the launcher is illegal, therefore the 59/66 without the launcher is legal.

You need to change your mind set when dealing with laws and the people who write them. While that guy at the DOJ said as long as the mag holds 10 rounds or less, he is partially correct. The 59/66 is NOT an SKS by name and is just the same as any other OLL rifle and can be used with detachable mags holding more then 10 rounds. I will not get into that right now, if you want more info PM me.

We'll stay with the basics. Yes the 59/66 is legal as purchased from Big 5 or from your local reputable gun shop. I do know what I'm talking about on this issue. Up till a month ago Century didn't ship any semi auto rifles to CA, so don't take what they say for anything other then a lawyer protecting their client. Don't put to much faith into what the DOJ say's either. They have lied, misled, abuse their power and intimidate business owners and citizens alike, and frankly, I don't trust them to be honest.

[dmax11]

Century is the one modifying the yugo's for big 5. I bought one and both the box and the rifles trigger tag from century indicates that its a CA modified version I'm at work atm but the part number CAI issued these is the same as in their catalog except that it ends in CA before the -code for the condition

Like this from memory
Normal model xxx59660-X for an excelent
My box says xxx59660CA-X

The trigger tag also says (CA APP) on it in its disc.

[Rhino Chaser]

Does anyone know (for a fact) whether or not the muzzle brake installed by Century Arms on these Big 5 Yugo 59/56's qualifies as a US Made part?

For example would you leave it checked or unchecked on the gun wiki list?

http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildSKSVerifyCompliance

Thank you!

[dmax11]

They are not marked so it does not matter.

922r compliance parts must be marked usa

[dmax11]

from what i've heard Century got a pass from the BATFE on doing this modification so they could make them CA compliant. what is interesting is they only sold them to Big 5 stores and i've yet to see any other retailer or century actually list the part that our Yugo's are for sale.

922r is tricky and some people will argue that its not really aimed to be applied to the end users but to the importers like century.

AFAIK nobody has ever been prosecuted for violating 922r and i know for a fact that 922r only prohibits the manufacture of a non-sporting type imported firearm (non-sporting means it has evil AW features, that's why Saiga's are sold without compliance parts with no problem.) 922r does not make it illegal to possess a firearm that has been modified in violation of 922r or to even sell or transfer one.

to get in trouble for it you would need to get caught in the act of assembling the non compliant firearm otherwise there is no proof that you did it and your legally not at fault for it.

oh and to add i have seen 59/66's at the local gun show recently that had the tapco brake installed instead of century's hunk of steel brake that is both tack welded and threaded on. the tapco's just thread on with a bit a locktite

[Noonanda]

Century has done a couple different versions, they have "sleeved" the grenade launchers, they have replaced them with muzzle breaks, and I think they even just tack welded the launchers on some.

[Rhino Chaser]

Thank you for the feedback.

So in this instance since the replacement part (muzzle brake) is not marked then you would still need to include that item as part of the sum total of imported parts that count towards the limit of 10?

[FALAK]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=49785

Has anyone tried this modification? It seems to be an ideal conversion and also keep the authentic (well, almost authentic) looks

[railroader]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemD...aspx?sku=49785

Has anyone tried this modification? It seems to be an ideal conversion and also keep the authentic (well, almost authentic) looks

The trouble with using that brake on a cali yugo is getting the old brake off or the sleeve over the grenade launcher off. The cali rifles with a brake are welded so you have to cut the weld to get them off. I'm not sure what the rifle would look like when you get done. On the sleeved rifles you need to get the sleeve off to get the grenade launcher off that's underneath. On the sleeve it is welded to the launcher in 2 places on the bottom side. You would need to cut out the welds so you could get sleeve off. Once you get the sleeve off there is a pin on the launcher that needs to be knocked out. You then can unscrew the launcher. It can be done but it's not as simple as unscrew one part and screw the other one on. Mark