Turners Transfer free (FFL fee) is a joke!!!

[Greg-Dawg]

Just find an FFL that charges less than $75, and hang on to him!!!

[Rob454]

I thought the law was somewhere along the lines of 36 bucks or so?

Thats ONLY for PPT where both parties are present. Out of state transfers are not considered regular PPTs and they can charge accordingly. While I'm not defending turners I don't see anything wrong with that. Anyone telling me they would do a out of state transfer for 35$ is lying. Also why do you expect a store to go through all that work ( granted its not building the pyramids) but someone who the store is paying has to do all the work.
Yeah I woudl love to have some guy come in get a gun off the net go in my store expect me to roll out the red carpet, all for 10$ transfer fee. yeah Ill get right on it. Ill do it cause I have to but I wont like it

But what is the first thing most people do when they pick up their gun...buy ammo, cleaning supplies, holsters, locks, safes, etc. They made $180 when all was said and done. They may only make $10 off of the transfer, but it's likely that they will get some business from you while you're in the store.

I don't think so. Out of ALL the guns Ive sold not one person has turned around cash in hand and bought anything from the store. Most people ALREADY have those things or they go on the net and get them. Sure some will go to their local store to buy something but not all or even most. Think about it. They JUST bought a gun from another person instead of the gun store to save money right? do you really think they are gonna turn around and buy accessories from the store? You MAY get some business from a walk in PPT but I wouldn't depend on that to make money.

[meangreen46]

Hey I am all about supporting my local gun shop. I pay the 70 dollar FFL out of state transfer fee. They are making money right? I mean, it is hard walking into a gun store a seeing a marked up gun that you can find cheaper elsewhere. Also, what kills me is taxes.... you have to look at it this way, I just bought an HK USP 45 compact.... 810 shipped to my FFL.... after 70 transfer fee, 880 for the gun... if I where to even find a deal like that at a gun store here I would have to pay 810 for the gun + tax at 8.25%... 876 and then the 25 DROS fee... 901 dollars! I saved 31 dollars, not much you would say but i think it is, you have to figure, can you even find a gun like that for 810??? but that 31 dollars I saved is a box of ammo!!

It's $21. That being said, you still need to pay Califonia tax on that HK you just shipped in from another state. If the store you transferred to didn't charge you tax, they are eating it which I doubt if they only charged you $70.

[PaperPuncher]

Since they cannot compete with the larger shops pricing, it would make more sense that they charge more to do transfers and make up for the lost profit. And it would also stand to reason that since they sell fewer guns that they would be more inclined to charge more to push you to buy the gun from them. Even doing 10 transfers a week, i think that they make much less than if they had sold a few more guns.

Exactly the opposite. Because they cannot compete with the larger shops they need to attract more customers to make up for the lack in revenue. To do this they have to charge less for the transfer. It is not possible to make up the lost revenue in one or two transactions so them must make more tansactions for less money to net the same profit. This should not have to be explained. It is common sense.

Huh? That analogy just doesn't make sense. Why would anyone go to McDonalds for a Whopper? And i don't think people who buys guns would find this acceptable or are stupid enough to do this. And is the analogy because they are both burgers? Well if the analogy did apply i wouldn't expect McDonalds to charge me $10 for a burger similar to a Whopper. (That's what Turner's is doing, charging 3x more for a similar product/service).

Thank you for being obtuse and not even making an attempt to connect the dots. I will simplify. Do not go to a store to purchase something that they do not have or offer. If you insist on being this pompous do not try to dictate what that store must do to supply you with that product. Just go to the store that already has it or pay the asking price to the store that that you engaged to compete the transaction.

This is very basic supply and demand and really shouldn't have to be explained. You want something someone doesn't have, you can't get it but they can, you must rely on their services to obtain the item. If the shoe were on the other foot I am sure you would just do everyone a favor and undercut your business because you are a nice guy and your family could stand to lose a meal or two, right?

[paintballdad]

If you insist on being this pompous do not try to dictate what that store must do to supply you with that product. Just go to the store that already has it or pay the asking price to the store that that you engaged to compete the transaction.

HMMM, not exactly sure where in my posts i became pompous and tried to dictate what Turner's must do. I only stated that $150 for a FFL transfer is not a reasonable profit, nowhere in my post did i say that Turner's should only charge $25, $50 or any amount for a FFL transfer. I've always bought my firearms from a local dealer and quite a few of them from Turner's. My post must have hit a nerve with you with all the name calling.

[strangerdude]

I can hardly think of supporting local gun store businesses any longer... just what are they trying to say? Fk about the hobby its about profit!

$150 transfer fee

Location: East County, San Diego

Whole Point is trying to be a cheap single shot shotgun for a project (IE under 100$ H&R type single shot or a savage etc)

That's crazy, and I thought the $75 I pay was a lot. I dropped Turners ages ago. I am sure you can locate an FFL near you that would charge less than what you are currently paying.

[Kestryll]

This should not have to be explained. It is common sense.


Thank you for being obtuse and not even making an attempt to connect the dots. I will simplify.

This is very basic supply and demand and really shouldn't have to be explained.

The rules are pretty straightforward and shouldn't have to be explained either but since you're not getting them...

Knock of the little digs and snide comments.

[RobGR]

If someone hasn't mentioned it already, Rifle Gear in Costa Mesa, $50 transfer fee and the DROS fee is $25.

[RobGR]

And Rifle Gear has been very responsive to all my questions in regard to my out-of-state transfer. Especially because it's for an AK74.... the "evilest" of firearms... supposedly or according to the CA DOJ.

[Im Broken]

i was just down at the one in san marcos this past saturday and paid 41.65 for a PPT including their stupid gun lock addage.

[lear60man]

Just came back from the SFV location. They had a nice little FN SCAR for $2,899. Same gun is $2300 on gunbroker.......thats quite a mark up. I then asked about out of state transfers and was quoted the $125. Then he said that I will have to pay sales taxes on whatever they feel the firearm is worth to them. "We basically dont want people using our FFl buying guns we can get them." Then price your guns accordingly.

I understand a store trying to make a profit, but a 21% markup over going rate? What makes your gun so special? A ten dollar bullet button? That doesnt fly with customers in this day and age. I always will support my local guy if he is a few bucks more than online. I appreciate being able to touch and feel an item and will pay more for that luxury. But not 21% more on a big ticket item.

So in the above scenario: I would spend $2700-ish OTD with taxes and out of state transfer fees. Or $3170-ish OTD buying off the rack from them. $450-$475 is a lot of ammo.

[gunn]

What parts do you live? I know a couple that do it for $50 OTD

Know any Norcal places that offer that price?
The cheapest I know about is $65 OTD but that's for rifles only.
-g

[ke6guj]

21% markup over going rate? What is MSRP? most brick-and-mortar stores are not gonna be able to discount as much as many of the online vendors are able to. Overhead costs money.

Similar to buying electronics from a B&M like Best Buy is usually gonna cost more than buying the same item online. That doesn't mean that the B&M is a rip-off. the difference between gun sales and electronic sales is that if you buy a TV online, you don't have to transfer it through your local B&M.

[RaiderNation]

Have you tried going to Gun Brokers and searching for your Local FFL's? This could be another option than going to your local gun shop. I did this after getting the: NO's, we charge sales tax, we charge 10% of the value of the firearm, or we charge $100-150 + Tax. I think I was charged 40.00 for FFL and 25.00 for the background check, so 65.00 total.

[lear60man]

21% markup over going rate? What is MSRP? most brick-and-mortar stores are not gonna be able to discount as much as many of the online vendors are able to. Overhead costs money.

Similar to buying electronics from a B&M like Best Buy is usually gonna cost more than buying the same item online. That doesn't mean that the B&M is a rip-off. the difference between gun sales and electronic sales is that if you buy a TV online, you don't have to transfer it through your local B&M.

"Overhead costs money" I agree. Turners is offering 0% discount. In fact they marked up said gun almost $200 OVER MSRP.

$2,700 is MSRP IIRC. $2,300 is what I have been quoted out of state from plus shipping to my FFL with BB installed and stock blocked. This is also in the neighborhood of a quick Gunbroker price check. $2,899 is approx 21% above my "going rate" price check. What you should be asking is: "What is dealer cost?" And "What is a big company like Turners paying for a gun Vs a small company on the internet."

You might want to re-read your electronics example. I think you meant to say that "That doesnt mean that Best Buy is a rip off" I agree. Best Buy also doesnt charge MSRP ++.

Im an average customer just trying to figure out the justification for the huge difference in price between two similar brick an mortar companies. One in-state and one say in Vegas.