Cali Carbines

[Charliegone]

Well the g-3 has 5, 10 and 20 round mags. As for the hk94, probably will have to find someone who will do the mag mods for you. I think they only make 15 rds min. for the hk94. As for loading, well.. you can load from ejection port, but only one shot at a time. Unless someone can come up with a stripper clip to load it from the ejection port.

[50 Freak]

I never really understood the need for a "carbine" (strict definition of a pistol caliber rifle). If you wanted to, you could just get a long barrel for your Glock and add a 30 rounder (you know the one you have stashed in your closet )

And ta-da.....Carbine.

[Skammy]

I think it was the ZM weapons thumb grip from the sounds, ill try and post a picture later but from the definition if you just make it so only your thumb can grip it sounds kosher..

[6172crew]

Too bad we cant have cans in this state.

http://www.valkyriearms.com/delisle.htm

[artherd]

Skammy- do you have a scan of this M82 Thumb Grip letter? My copy only has the first paragraph you quote, not the second re; thumbhole stocks.

Thumb grips arn't pistol grips or thumbhole stocks.. if I was gonna get a hk-94 clone i'd go that route...
quote from a DOJ letter:

11CCR 978.20 (d) defines a pistol grip that protrudes conspicously beneath the action of the weapon to mean, "...a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing."

A "pistol style grasp" allows the fingers to wrap firmly around the grip. The alternative Barrett 82A1 "thumb hold" exemplar cannot be considered an assual weapon pistol grip because the device allows for only the thumb, and not all the fingers , to grasp the device.

....

Similarly, the Barrett 82A1 alternative "thumb hold" exemplar attaches to the action of the weapon and is not part of the stock. Thus, it would be inconsistent with the existing policy to consider the exemplar a stock feature and is not, therefore, a "thumbhole stock".

[Stevil]

+1 M1 Carbine



Then get a Ruger Blackhwak in .30 Carbine... BOOM!

[Skammy]

Skammy- do you have a scan of this M82 Thumb Grip letter? My copy only has the first paragraph you quote, not the second re; thumbhole stocks.

I think I have it on my gf computer, IM me with your e-mail and Ill get it to ya.

[JBominator]

About the CX4 storm - I'm convinced it would be very feasible to make this weapon Cali legal. The weapon measures 29.7" long - basically 30", but if this makes you nervous, add a stock spacer. Barrel is over 16", so we're good there. The next step would be to "permanently" fix the magazine, rendering the remaining evil features null. Maybe a bullet button for Beretta? I haven't handled this weapon yet, but would it be feasible to permanently attach a mag for loading after disassembly, such as the ar-15?

[dchang0]

About the CX4 storm - I'm convinced it would be very feasible to make this weapon Cali legal. The weapon measures 29.7" long - basically 30", but if this makes you nervous, add a stock spacer. Barrel is over 16", so we're good there. The next step would be to "permanently" fix the magazine, rendering the remaining evil features null. Maybe a bullet button for Beretta? I haven't handled this weapon yet, but would it be feasible to permanently attach a mag for loading after disassembly, such as the ar-15?

Should be pretty easy to design a bullet button for the CX4, and a thin stock spacer or a fake can will solve the overall length problem nicely.

If anyone has a CX4 Storm, please consider sending the stock to Raddlock for R&D...

To the OP: have you considered the HK USC in .45ACP? Raddlock makes a magazine lock for it, and I was lucky enough to shoot one. It's truly a joy to shoot and a marvel of engineering.

The PS90 might also be considered a pistol caliber, but the ammo isn't as cheap as 9mm.

Take a look at the various MP5 clones too, and of course, definitely consider an AR-type OLL with a 9mm upper!

[ke6guj]

dchang0, this is a 2-year old necropost. The OP may not be looking at the same stuff anymore, or has already figured it out.

[dchang0]

D'oh! Sorry, my bad...

[jestism]

Here are a couple of pictures of my personal Enfield DeLisle recreation (in Arizona)

It is not silenced though (didn't want to spend the money on the tax stamps), but is a 16" barrel (extending inside of the receiver by 2") in a 2" shroud.

Shortening the bolt was the hardest part.

But it is a fun little .45 to shoot.