Cali Carbines

[Brandini]

Since the great state of California will not let me own a Beretta CX4 Storm...What options do I have when it comes to owning a pistol caliber carbine in Cali? As it stands right now I am leaning towards the Ruger PC9 but would like some other options just to consider.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Brandon

[C.G.]

Since the great state of California will not let me own a Beretta CX4 Storm...What options do I have when it comes to owning a pistol caliber carbine in Cali? As it stands right now I am leaning towards the Ruger PC9 but would like some other options just to consider.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Brandon

Marlin PC9 for sa;e in Equipment Exchange not mine).

[-hanko]

Ruger PC9 for sale in Equipment Exchange not mine).

Fixed.

-hanko

[bwiese]

Besides the Ruger PC9 and PC40 there's the Marlin Camp carbines.

Don't think there's any KelTec pistol-caliber carbines legal for CA.

You could also consider a Ruger 44Mag 'Deerfield' semiauto carbine; these take 4-rd rotary mags similar to those used in a 10/22. There's a similar appearing lever-action variant of this carbine as well.

And there's the whole gamut of western-style lever-action carbines from Marlin and Winchester in a variety of calibers...

Bill Wiese
San Jose

[6172crew]

How about a HK94 clone with the grip hacked off? I hear the bobcat clones are very nice. the metal frame grip should be the same as CETME/HK91 grip which whould be easy to cut.

[C.G.]

Fixed.

-hanko

Nice to see that someone reads my posts, right or wrong. Thank you.

[bwiese]

How about a HK94 clone with the grip hacked off? I hear the bobcat clones are very nice. the metal frame grip should be the same as CETME/HK91 grip which whould be easy to cut.

BTW, Bobcat Weapons, Special Weapons, etc. are fairly notorious, all appear to be the same company, and are all associated with a rather unique individual, Todd Bailey, who flames people with rude, poorly written screeds on various gun forums. Here's what the resepected Gunplumber writes about him, and his work:

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/ (click on 'notes')...

Product Review: Speshul Wepunz (revised 02-05-05)

Arizona Response Systems frequently is asked to fix hack jobs produced by low quality companies. Generally, I refuse. Not only is there the liability issue, but also I value my time too much to waste it wading through crap. I did accept a pair of Special Weapons SW5s in for examination. The results follow.

Special Weapons, or "Speshul Wepunz" as is more accurate, is a bottomfeeding company in Mesa Arizona, famous for low quality crap, dishonest business practices, and filthy language (so bad as to be banned from every major firearms board in the US). The reputation among professionals in the industry is so bad, that the shyster owner, Todd Bailey, and his brother Wade Bailey, have gone through extreme lengths to try to disguise their name. Thus "Top Noch", "Tactical Firearms Training Academy", and "Bobcat Weapons" have sprung up as new companies to disguise the source of the guns. But its all the same company. Despite the "owner" of Bobcat denying any affiliation with Speshul Wepunz, a simple search with the Arizona Department of State shows both trade names registered to Tod Bailey's address. A chain-link fence dividing a room may make a legal seperation, but for all practical purposes, they are one and the same.

True HK94s are specifically banned by Roberti-Roos, so only clones would work. And these would be difficult to use without a pistol grip. A Ruger PC9 would be a much better choice unless you just had a stash of HK94/MP5 hicap mags around...

Bill Wiese
San Jose

[scorpionusa]

Would this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=38775988 be legal in CA if the pistol grip is hacked or removed?

On 2nd thought, I guess the folding stock would make the OAL < 30", so it would not work for CA even if the pistol grip is removed.

[Charliegone]

NO! Why? Because it still has a folding stock and forward grip. Even if you hack of the pistol grip, you still can have an assault weapon if you have any other sb23 feature. I do know that special weapons llc makes a cali legal hk-94 clone, but like Bill said...you never know what your gonna get. I know vulcan makes hk-94 clones, but you know the story with them right?

It seems to me the only decent companies making hk clones are JLD and Vector.

[50 Freak]

Cut the pistol grip.
Pin the folding stock.
Put on regular handguards.

Should bring you in compliance.

Oh on a seperate note, Special Weapons = Bobcat Weapons = Todd Bailey = run as far as you can. Okay products, Crappy service, Crappy owner.

If you're lucky and get the 50% of their weapons that work okay....good for you. If you're unlucky and the the other 50% of their weapons that don't work....Good Luck....apparently Todd has said his stuff is better than the original H&K and hence he never makes mistakes. So you must have done something to the gun and hence it voids the warrantee.

[capitol]

Since the great state of California will not let me own a Beretta CX4 Storm...What options do I have when it comes to owning a pistol caliber carbine in Cali? As it stands right now I am leaning towards the Ruger PC9 but would like some other options just to consider.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Brandon

Since when is the Beretta CX4 Storm not legal in California?

[bwiese]

Since when is the Beretta CX4 Storm not legal in California?

If we're talking about the same thing - the new Beretta 9mm 16" carbine that takes Beretta 92 magazines - then it is indeed not CA legal as it's an assault weapon (pistol grip/thumbhole stock)

Bill Wiese
San Jose

[Brandini]

I am guessing that the pistol grip and the thumb hole in the stock make it an "assault weapon" and therefore "evil" in Cali...

If I am wrong in that regard please let me know and I will go buy one tomorrow. Am I wrong?

Brandon

[capitol]

WOW, thats shocking to me. I know of an FFL who has sold two of them. Uh-Oh

[bwiese]

WOW, thats shocking to me. I know of an FFL who has sold two of them. Uh-Oh

A big ooooops! I hope that FFL dealer goes broke; he should know better - esp when he's making his customers prospective felons..

I met a poor soul at rifle range who was vacationing in CA, and was shooting his Storm carbine. Had no idea. I told him to get it outta state ASAP or destroy it.

Bill Wiese
San Jose