FBI buying 20mm 4,500m sniper rifle , why?

[gn3hz3ku1*]

If they can get it, I should be able to get it. Not that I want to, feeding it will be expensive, but I should have the option if they do.

they have a lot of things i don't think the American citizen should have.... esp when it comes to Arms

[oddjob]

There are several SWAT teams that train with the .50 cal. Its not meant for people (although it certainly can be), but as someone else mentioned its for "hard" targets. Vehicles, engine blocks, hard walls, aircraft (on the ground) & etc. It can also be used for psychological reasons (showing suspects who are barricaded how it can punch through things). Even if the 20mm rifle were true that ain't nothing compared to what the other Fed agencies (US Marshall, Secret Service, State Department & etc) have.

[Maddog5150]

they have a lot of things i don't think the American citizen should have.... esp when it comes to Arms

Not trying to play devils advocate here but I am actually truly curious. Where is the line drawn? I ask this to people who say that we (average citizens) should have whatever the government does but I start naming things and they back peddle, "no no! no one should have that!!"
Considering arms, should the crazy rich guy be able to buy a suitcase nuke? Scientology be able to field military watercraft for thier navy (yes scientology does have a navy though its extremely homo) like destroyers? Should the grand wizard of the KKK (kkk has tons of revenue) be able to have an abrams main battle tank?
Just a curious question.

[1988]

It's a one-shot stopper for those DUI trying to run the check points...

[Cali-Shooter]

Not trying to play devils advocate here but I am actually truly curious. Where is the line drawn? I ask this to people who say that we (average citizens) should have whatever the government does but I start naming things and they back peddle, "no no! no one should have that!!"
Considering arms, should the crazy rich guy be able to buy a suitcase nuke? Scientology be able to field military watercraft for thier navy (yes scientology does have a navy though its extremely homo) like destroyers? Should the grand wizard of the KKK (kkk has tons of revenue) be able to have an abrams main battle tank?
Just a curious question.

You have some great argument points. I'd rather not be able to have any of those super powerful weapons if it means that those maniacs who are also private citizens can't have them either. TBH, I was extremely surprised to find out about PMC's equipped with helicopter gunships and gunboats. So, these are essentially private corporations that are not a national force, with military grade heavy firepower. If corporations with these arms makes me uneasy, even more so if some wacko organization in the US has them.

[ojisan]

"Arms" means those weapons normally carried by a person.
Back then: bows, clubs, swords, knives, pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.
Now: same.
We do have a few odd variants now such as flamethrowers, hand grenades and rocket launchers that are commonly carried by soldiers, but weapons like these are too indiscriminate for use in heavily populated areas, so I am sure they would be considered "dangerous and unusual" and therefore prohibited for general use by SCOTUS.
Back in the day, the city town or state would supply any needed cannons, ships, supply trains etc as these were too expensive for most citizens to keep and maintain.

Nobody will get to carry suitcase-nukes, nerve gas bombs, RPG-7s or mini-guns.

Just look at the states that already have CCW or LOC and see what's allowed for guidelines.

[jaq]

Let me guess, an email alert from one of the nutcase websites or it was found posted on a whackjob website and immediately posted it here without checking it against any other source. It had to be true since it was posted on Nut-R-Us, The Government is Evil website.

Wow - the comments on that "Nut-R-Us" site are so much more intelligent and enlightening than anything you have offered I recommend you read them and learn before offering any more of your "sage" observations here. Or you can continue to look like a ...er, well, what you apparently are.

[dwa]

You mean the computers they seem to lose or let get stolen about what? every other year that has your personal info with ssn in it? lol. Same here bro. Every other year there is a roster for those who "might" be in danger of ID theft

you got the ako message also lol

[Hunt]

They didn't use a 20mm at Ruby Ridge, they used 308 rifles.

We should stop the FBI from using 308 rifles!

yes

[ren]

maybe we can deploy these against the cartels in Arizona ? why bring them to justice to recuit more memembers when you can blow them a new one.

[Super Spy]

I saw one of these on Gun Broker recently.....if I move to a free state why not? Getting an NFA stamp isn't that difficult in many states. You guys whine like a bunch of anti's "Why would anyone need one of these?" Uhhhhhh because you can, it makes a really cool big bang, and would be entertaining to shoot at all sorts of things. When someone pulls out their 50BMG you pull out your 20 and do your best Crocodile Dundee imitation "You call that a gun?"

[joedogboy]

Why are you guys freaking out about our government having these rifles?

Don't they also have fighter jets, stealth bombers, and oh yea NUKES!?

I'm not too worried about a 20mm...

But the military is in control of those items, so they are in the hands of competent professionals who respect the rights of American citizens - not the FBI.

[Plisk]

But the military is in control of those items, so they are in the hands of competent professionals who respect the rights of American citizens - not the FBI.

Government is government.

Yes, the two organizations have two different sets of morals... but it's all still Federally run.

[Alex$]

see below

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NxHj1R04g&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Dea5iae4A&NR=1&feature=fvwp

FBI Purchases 20mm Rifles with suppressors

Wyn Boniface was quick off the mark in spotting a pre-solicitation request from the Federal Bureau of Investigation for the purchase of two Anzio Ironworks 20mm magazine fed rifles (cannons) with suppressors.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) intends to award a non-competitive, sole source purchase order to Anzio Ironworks Corporation, 1905 16th Street N, St. Petersburg, FL 33704 for two (2) Magfed 20mm Rifles and accessories in accordance with FAR 6.302-1, only one responsible source and no other supplies or services will satisfy agency requirements.

The FBI intends to procure the following items:

Magfed 20mm Rifle with Belgian Camo Overcoat finish. Includes bipod, brake, handguard, free floated barrel and case (Qty: 1 each)

Magfed 20mm Rifle with Navy NWV Camo Duracoat finish. Includes bipod, brake, handguard, free floated barrel and case (Qty: 1 each)

Non-firing bolt assemblies (Qty: 2 each)

Extra magazines (Qty: 4 each)

Suppressors in 20mm (Qty: 2 each)

The solicitation number is 10-Q-LDQ002768.

[Richie Caketown]

they said they wwanted rifles with supressors??

how the heck do you supress that thing