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  • #61
    cmaynes
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 812

    If there is that much crap flying into the gun one probably couldny identify a target. A failure every two magazines seems outrageous, and I know a bunch of people downrange who are not seeing that failure rate.

    ymmv....

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    • #62
      Trey1191
      Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 132

      Cmaynes were on the same page man, those numbers just don't jive...
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      • #63
        pyro3k2
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 2649

        When it comes to this type of thread, call me crazy but I can only see one group of posters that opinion would truely matter and that group is the people that own/use all three firearms. Til then we are all just kinda guessing and throwing out theroies on products that realistically we haven't used. I could jump on the band wagon by saying im holding out for the SCAR-17h and start listing why, but I just be blowing smoke out of my ***.
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        • #64
          SixPointEight
          Veteran Member
          • May 2009
          • 3788

          Originally posted by Adhvanit
          In the article it does say that this is unconfirmed and such. So no point in really posting it when there is no factual backing. If you know of a factual source for this info then I'm extremely interested in reading it.
          The factual source of this is the same as the factual source of this:

          Originally posted by Adhvanit
          I am not looking to buy myself another AR-15 that if I look at it the wrong way it will jam. I want a rifle that I can toss in the water/mud/dirt, pick it up and fire it and it will fire fine (not to say I am going to do as such).
          Lol. Anyways, I like the ACR, but like I said, let it simmer for a while to work out the kinks, and the price to come down.

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          • #65
            santacruzstefan
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 4796

            LWRC for the win! Alas, I too am biased by the purchase of one. If you want a nice rifle, and you have the money, then who cares how much it costs (within reason, of course)? I hate it when people gasp and say, "you spent what on your rifle?" I'm happy, I don't feel ripped off, and in the end thats what matters.

            Although, when I save up a bit more cash, I'm getting a SCAR. But if LWRC fixes the magazine problem on their REPRs, that just might be the one. In any event, I suggest an M6A2 or A3, right around the prices of either rifle OP mentioned, and since they are essentially just special ARs they retain the modularity and parts commonality.
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            • #66
              stormy_clothing
              Banned
              • Dec 2008
              • 2809

              Originally posted by BHPFan
              Even though the discussion on this thread is for ACR, SCAR and HK, Thank You for bringing up these other brands of Gas Piston AR's. For over $1K less, my question is why these other brands mentioned by stormy are not as good?

              HK is good, but waaaay overpriced and I cannot see what a LWRC, POF, LMT, CMMG and Addax cannot do what the HK can do for a lot less money.

              Now for the likes of SCAR and ACR, what can't a SIG 556 or a MSAR STG 556 E4 do that these other rifles can?
              I would always buy American rifles, tomorrow some import ban could be in place ect.

              HK rifles are expensive due to currency conversion, they are paying people over there very high wages in US dollars to produce the rifles.

              LWRC loves to put it out there that they beat on there rifles for 50,000 + rounds. This is a great attitude to have I think as it's confidence not technical bs. However pull the action back on an LWRC and it feels polished, not the kind of polished that won't feed wolf but the kind that makes a Honda run forever.

              Unfortunately with press has come raised prices - but as cost no option they would be my first choice. One thing to not is when manufacturers chose the right parts stocks pistol grips ect not the cheapest parts.

              There is no reason an AK is 1/10 the price of a good piston gun but sometimes the problem is the market itself.

              Today if I had the skill I could go and design an completely different rifle and it would eat up all the sales tomorrow - some companies buffer market volatility with higher prices when they can.

              I think CMMG did a really good job with there piston rifle - it only needs 80 dollars worth of BUIS and for 1050 it's going to be a hell of a rifle.
              Last edited by stormy_clothing; 05-03-2010, 2:49 PM.

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              • #67
                MissionMTMan
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Mar 2009
                • 1559

                Okay. I am going to chime in here. I absolutely hate the ACR. It is extremely front heavy, heavy in general, horrible trigger pull (from what I'm used to), has the stupid star chamber and bolt, "special" barrel lining, way overpriced etc... Don't buy one until they fix the entire thing.

                The SCAR is a beautiful rifle with great ergos. I am still not jazzed they kept the star bolt though. The stocks are stronger than people care to admit.

                HK416: Never shot one but I have not read anything that would say it is worth getting over a LWRC.

                LWRC: One of the best piston AR's available.

                POF: is a POS. Mine had bolt tilt, the POF rail is insanely heavy, the POF rail strips out in the threads. I just hated the thing in general and sold it for a huge discount.

                XCR: Best rifle made in my opinion. Has great accuracy, amazing ergos, machine work is flawless, bolt design is spot on. The only things it needs is a "Scar" like stock, and a better way to secure the barrel. The biggest reason people are having problems with them at carbine courses is they are not performing the proper maintenance before the course. Just like how you need to know your AR, you need to know what specific maintenance your XCR needs.

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                • #68
                  Endless
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1881

                  Both are right in the 2K flat range

                  The 556 is HK garbage, having shot one I feel embarrassed for HK.

                  Heres a pic of my CMMG with some mods, you would be hard pressed to see why HK wants 2K more for the same basic action



                  It comes down to what you actually like and if the said rifle meets your needs.
                  Personally I would never own a CMMG anything. I have been a Daniel Defense, Noveske, and Colt guy for years. I wont argue quality because I have seen CMMG rifles next to the higher end AR15s and you CAN see the differences. I couldnt believe the quality of Daniel Defense compared to Colt and Noveske, let alone a CMMG or Bushmaster.

                  Again, different strokes for different folks. I do give one pro for CMMG, they are dirt cheap IMO. About the cost of 3 sets of brake pads...
                  Last edited by Endless; 05-09-2010, 9:28 PM.

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                  • #69
                    SPUTTER
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 7504

                    The sad part about these rifles is the fact that they are only one quarter of the rifle, of the actual FA version (not to mention, expensive). These are combat rifles designed for infantry men who will more than likely use them in FA.
                    For something that you will be using to punch holes in paper at the range, I think your standard fair AR is sufficient.Though rifles such as SCARs or Masadas are "cool", they don't offer a distinct advantage over an AR for a civilian. Unless of course you want to make friends at the range.
                    Funny how some of you guys go back and forth on issues such as reliability, when the only time you'll have to rely on that rifle working, is on your day off at the range.

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                    • #70
                      UserM4
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1687

                      AR15's don't jam up like they used to during the Vietnam war. What's the point? It's just marketing hype and the general public's desire for a shiny new rifle. That being said, I'm so getting one! Oh, and no reciprocating charging handle for me, or a 1:9 twist Bushy. I trust in HK or maybe a Remy ACR.
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                      • #71
                        Toolbox X
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 2602

                        The "dead" MK16/SCAR-L just got ADM approval to go into full production for USSOCOM.



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                        • #72
                          Toolbox X
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 2602

                          If I was going to hold out for anything it would not be the MR556. It would be the still unannounced but will come someday 5.56 version of the REPR. Basically a LWRC M6A3 with the REPR rail system, side charger, and right side bolt hold open/release. LWRC showed the 5.56 REPR rail system at SHOT in Jan., and when I asked about the side charging version he smiled and said "no comment".

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                          • #73
                            cmace22
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 2717

                            Originally posted by Josh3239
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                            How is it proven? It is completely unproven, it has seen extremely limited service for only one year and the reviews from the troops have been fairly mixed. Some have reported that the stock breaking at the plastic teeth of the button. I am sure FN still has some kinks to work out.

                            And I am not crapping on the weapon, there is no doubt it is great weapon. But calling it proven is like calling Obama an experienced or a successful politician.

                            I think with more than 5-6 years in R&D with I dont know how many hundreds of thousands maybe millions of rounds down range with combat field use. The SCAR to me looks proven. The ACR/XCR/416 cant even come close to saying that.



                            The SCAR is one of the most tested small arms in our military’s history and is currently being employed in the fight to defend freedom,” said United States Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “Products of excellence, like the SCAR, represent the continuation of a long and proud tradition of defense manufacturing in South Carolina. I look forward to the continued use of this weapons system.”
                            Last edited by cmace22; 05-10-2010, 8:50 AM.

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                            • #74
                              CombatMP
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 757

                              ACR over SCAR anyday
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                              • #75
                                Jerry X
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 707

                                Originally posted by xfilterx

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