ACR vs FN SCAR vs H&K 416

[Adhvanit]

So I'm eventually looking at picking up one of these three firearms. Mind you it all relies upon Cal-Legality and such, but which is your preference and why? I'm personally leaning towards the 416 because from what I have read and seen it is incredibly reliable and you can put it through hell and it will still work.

Also from what I have seen the civilian version of the 416 is called the MR556? Is there anything different between the two guns (with the exception of one being automatic capable)?

So have at it.

-Josh

[NSR500]

The HK would be the last on my list. I was not impressed with it at all, unlike the ACR, and SCAR.
IMO... Specific to your list, if you're going to spend $1800 or more, you should get more than another Gas Piston AR.

[Adhvanit]

NSR500 mind being a little more specific. I'm looking for more than just short snippets. Give me reasons behind your liking of the ACR and SCAR as well as reasons you don't like the 416. If you don't mind that is.

[NSR500]

I'm speaking specific to your three choices, okay...

The HK is just another AR15 with a Gas Piston at the end of the day. If you buy the HK... Actually, I should say that if HK "allows you" to buy the HK416/MR556, you'll pay top dollar for it, and it'll still just be an AR.
The ACR and SCAR represent a technological evolution for STANAG magazine fed rifles. They are Polymer/Metal guns and have been designed from the ground up to be "Gas Piston Operated". Whereas the HK is just another platform retrofit.
The ACR and SCAR were also designed with modularity in mind for barrel configuration, and caliber. Ergonomics have been changed on the guns as well to address operational efficiency, and ambidexterity. The charging handles can be swapped for right/left hand operation, the bolt hold/release operated with right/left, and even the safety can be used on both sides.
Good luck with whatever path you choose!

[Adhvanit]

Thanks for clarifying. The main reason I like the 416 best right now is that it has been shown to be so durable. They have put it through brutal testing and it has come out on top and still firing great. I haven't seen the same with the ACR or the SCAR. Not to say that the ACR/SCAR can't do the same it's just I haven't seen it as of today.

I am not looking to buy myself another AR-15 that if I look at it the wrong way it will jam. I want a rifle that I can toss in the water/mud/dirt, pick it up and fire it and it will fire fine (not to say I am going to do as such).

Also paying top dollar isn't that big of an issue for me at this point. I am willing to drop $3000 or so on a rifle because it is going to be a college graduation present to myself so I just want to make sure when the time comes that I get what I want/is best and most reliable.

[NSR500]

Thanks for clarifying. The main reason I like the 416 best right now is that it has been shown to be so durable. They have put it through brutal testing and it has come out on top and still firing great. I haven't seen the same with the ACR or the SCAR. Not to say that the ACR/SCAR can't do the same it's just I haven't seen it as of today.

I am not looking to buy myself another AR-15 that if I look at it the wrong way it will jam. I want a rifle that I can toss in the water/mud/dirt, pick it up and fire it and it will fire fine (not to say I am going to do as such).

Also paying top dollar isn't that big of an issue for me at this point. I am willing to drop $3000 or so on a rifle because it is going to be a college graduation present to myself so I just want to make sure when the time comes that I get what I want/is best and most reliable.

*I have to add though, that the HK did beat the SCAR when they tested with the Marines for the IAR test.

Of the guns on your list, I believe there are more units of the SCAR deployed right now with the Rangers. The HK is/was deployed with Delta, but I don't know if they still use them.
The ACR still has the jury out on it...

I don't know if you've read this, but it may be pertinent to your interests: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...sy-03289/#more

For me... I'd still get the SCAR, or ACR over the HK. Since you're so concerned with a "Proven" platform, SCAR vs HK, I would still get the SCAR.
The reason I say that is because FN actually sells to civilians, and HK hates us. Lastly, while both companies have a very deep history, FN has more of their "Modern" lineup deployed in a battlefield right now, ranging from pistols to heavy machine guns.

[416stroker]

WOW everyone believes the HK is the ****. Damn Future Weapons they made every one think the HK is special. Your buying a name thats all Its just another gas piston AR. Thats all **** HK..

Youll never own a real 416

You obviously dont know jack about the AR profile with a post like this.

I am not looking to buy myself another AR-15 that if I look at it the wrong way it will jam. I want a rifle that I can toss in the water/mud/dirt, pick it up and fire it and it will fire fine (not to say I am going to do as such).

Its just the name its no better than a POF or a Addax Or really any other GPU.

Id buy a POF P415-16-recon or a LWRC MA3


You have a lot more to learn about ARs and the HK is not the ****. There a lot of options most are equals and some are better

Out of your choices its a toss up with the acr and the scar with me.

[Greg-Dawg]

SCAR-H because there's one in MW2.

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[BitterOldMan]

I've read that the MR556 is not the same as they HK 416 and it won't be compatible with non HK ar-15 lowers. I'm just as curious as you as to all the details of actual MR556 when released compared to the HK 416. At this point, I'd rather have an actual HK 416 16" upper. Perhaps a 416 expert can chime in on the differences.

I'd take the SCAR over the ACR but I would love to have a 416

See http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.ph...how-2010/page2, where straightgrain, who attended Shot 2010, states that the MR556A1 will have Mil-Spec holes, whereas the MR556 will have proprietary holes.

If you want a great gun now, get the SCAR. I have yet to see a HK 416 16" upper in the US. Plenty of valuable information on www.hkpro.com. Jim Schatz aka G3Kurz, Program Manager on the HK416, long time HK employee, and a very nice gentleman, has always been very active on that website.

[LB21]

I am not looking to buy myself another AR-15 that if I look at it the wrong way it will jam. I want a rifle that I can toss in the water/mud/dirt, pick it up and fire it and it will fire fine (not to say I am going to do as such).

You have just described the ak-47....

[hammerhands32]

You have just described the ak-47....

No the Fal

[Aprilia]

Standard - any other detail/context here? You can't just quitely drop in with something that sexy without an explanation!!

Max

[xfilterx]

Not this topic again.



I've come to the realization that there are nothing but HK haters on this board so I'm staying away from arguments. If it's not a AK47 or some run-of-the-mill AR15, chances are people on this board will hate on it.

[Booshanky]

The main reason I like the 416 best right now is that it has been shown to be so durable. They have put it through brutal testing and it has come out on top and still firing great.

By "they", you mean the people selling the gun?