30 round magazine confusion

[Toast]

If you didn't own 10+ magazines before the year 2000 and you're not a; LEO, military, or armored car employee (and given the magazines by the owner) then you cannot buy them. Possession isn't illegal, as long as you got them legally. Bringing any 10+ magazines in from another state is illegal, but bringing them in as parts is not. Make sure you do not assemble them in CA.

Here's something to remember though... Putting more then 10 rounds of a smaller caliber in a 10 round magazine made for a larger caliber is not illegal and you can buy as many of those as you would like... Use at your own discretion though because many people have enough problems with cops not knowing that OLLs are legal at all. You should own the upper that it goes along with too.

If you do own some legal "high capacity" magazines, or some of the magazines mentioned above you cannot use them in a bullet button equipped AR with evil features. It must be a featureless rifle which has the following features: non collapsible/folding stock (you can pin them though), no pistol grip (there are plenty of alternatives), no flash hider (compensators are ok).

[odysseus]

from what i know is that only active duty LEO's can have 30 rnd mags.... everyone else its the 10 rnd mags.....

Not in an OLL though.

Over 2 years and over 300 posts. I just can't believe how dense some people are. I legally use +10 round mags (including 30 round mags and drums) in some of my OLLs. I'm talking about the ones without evil features. How come this is so hard for some people to understand?

This is why this topic comes up pretty much weekly on this forum. It seems despite those threads and the informative wiki that is out there for everyone, this just keeps getting mucked up. People are always throwing monkey wrenches into the conversation and people have weird ideas about it.

I do have empathy in that the Cali laws on large capacity magazines is asinine law.

[ledman]

But if you only load one bullet in your hi cap mag, its legal in any gun.

JOKING, of course, lol...wow, thats the kinda crap you get from people when you ask this question.
I just searched here on Calguns, and used google also, and found SO many threads on this subject...with all the same banter and BS advice, and GOOD advice. To the OP...you had to start this all over again!? Thanks!

Take the (good) advice of some here, and forget the rest, and Just read and understand the law as it is written, and then read it again, and then, read it one more time, then print it out, and read it again. Live it, breathe it, love it, or hate it. It is what it is, simple as that, there is no test at the end.

If you can read, and I am assuming you can, you shall understand what it is saying. Do not read anything into it, the law is the law, plain and simple. No "what if's" or "how comes". It IS not hard to understand, once you have read it, comprehend it, and understand it, you will see the light.

You will begin to understand what it is saying. And then, and only then, will you be ready to use, or not use, any large capcirty magazines you may own.
Now LOCK AND LOAD!
Semper Fi

[thatguyjefe]

You do that and you may be going to jail.

There are really two parts to CA law that are of concern. First the ownership and transfer of magazines of capacity greater than 10rnds, let's call them hi-cap mags for now. It is legal to own hi-cap mags if you were personally in possession of them in CA prior to Jan 01, 2000. It is legal to rebuild or repair hi-cap mags that you were personally in possession of them in CA prior to Jan 01, 2000. It is legal to rebuild such hi-cap mags until there is not a single part remaining of the original magazine. It is even legal to rebuild a legally owned 30rnd magazine into a 100rnd magazine. It is not legal to import, manufacture, sell, lease or give away hi-cap magazines unless the receiving party is active LEO (and a couple other less common exceptions.) If you are not exempt, purchase a rebuild kit and assemble it into a new hi-cap magazine while in CA, you have broken the law. If you are not exempt, go to NV and buy and hi-cap magazine and bring it back to CA, you have broken the law. If you are not exempt, and you father gives you a hi-cap magazine when gives you his G17, he has broken the law.

The second part of CA law of concern is the use of hi-cap mags. I think we are specifically talking about AR mags. CA law says that a semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine cannot have any other assault weapon features. CA law also says that if a semi-automatic centerfire rifle has a non-detachable magazine, the magazine capacity must be 10rnds or less, otherwise the rifle will be considered an AW. Therefore, you can only use your legally owned 30rnd magazines in a RAW and featureless AR's. If you insert a hi-cap magazine in one of our non-registered CA bullet button equiped AR's, you have broken the law. The same applies to AR pistols. CA law says that any handgun with a magazine well outside the grip is an AW. Installation of a BB and a magazine on a AR pistol makes the magazine well no longer a magazine well because the magazine is no longer detachable. However, any non-detachable magazine on a handgun must be 10rnds or less, otherwise the handgun is an AW.

Yeah thanks for the concern but I am certain I am not going to jail. Apparently you didn't read/comprehend the posts that I was referring to. I may not have alot of posts but I've been following alot of what Aplinker posts on this forum while checking external sources to verify what he's posting. So now I come to the conclusion that Aplinker knows what the hell he's talking about, I can't use my legally owned 30 round magazine in my fixed magazine AR, and some calguns members (a very few number) try too hard to sound like they know what they're talking about.

[Jpach]

If you didn't own 10+ magazines before the year 2000 and you're not a; LEO, military, or armored car employee (and given the magazines by the owner) then you cannot buy them. Possession isn't illegal, as long as you got them legally. Bringing any 10+ magazines in from another state is illegal, but bringing them in as parts is not. Make sure you do not assemble them in CA.

Here's something to remember though... Putting more then 10 rounds of a smaller caliber in a 10 round magazine made for a larger caliber is not illegal and you can buy as many of those as you would like... Use at your own discretion though because many people have enough problems with cops not knowing that OLLs are legal at all. You should own the upper that it goes along with too.

If you do own some legal "high capacity" magazines, or some of the magazines mentioned above you cannot use them in a bullet button equipped AR with evil features. It must be a featureless rifle which has the following features: non collapsible/folding stock (you can pin them though), no pistol grip (there are plenty of alternatives), no flash hider (compensators are ok).

Where did you read that?

[Fedor]

Good info here!

I got a quick question. Say I have an AK47 like this http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct629.aspx
to make it featureless and legally able to shoot with a 30rn mag I have to take off the pistol grip, and what else, muzzle break?

[CHS]

Just the pistol grip. Muzzle brakes are not an evil feature.

[grammaton76]

The wiki has the answers. There's no use in arguing about the misinformation previously cited... the folks who were in error have been corrected. Beyond that, no new ground has been blazed here.