getting Krinkov kits in CA, help needed!

[shonc99]

Similiar question

I recently got a romanian parts kit in and have 2 recievers dros'd but the 10 days are not up yet.

Question: Am I in violation of constructive posession even though the recievers are at the dealer?

[grammaton76]

I recently got a romanian parts kit in and have 2 recievers dros'd but the 10 days are not up yet.

Question: Am I in violation of constructive posession even though the recievers are at the dealer?

For what, assault weapon charges? CA doesn't have constructive possession on AW's. They're talking about federal SBR regs, which are different and much easier to go after folks on.

[rssslvr]

Damn and I so wanted to do a krink next,Guess I should have done that first before my romy G builds

[mtnguy]

What type of legal action is the Calgunner with SMG kit facing ?

[morepoop4u]

What if you had the receiver built into a rifle but planned on converting it to a krink. Then couldn't you receive the parks kit directly and pin the fake can before you swap the parts? Screw builds would be the easiest to swap. Just swap the barreled front end, BCG, and top cover. Harlan said the m92 krink would work on a nds-3 except the rear trunion but that would be converted to a fixed stock anyways. A guy on the EE at ar15.com has virgin romy barrels for $60 shipped. I bought one to turn down to krink specs to build with a nds-3, romy kit, bulgy hg, fr sight/gas block, hg retainer, rear sight block, top cover, and krink gas piston;

(stolen from the akforums )
So can you legally purschase krinks kits if your receivers are already built into rifles???

[morepoop4u]

worst comes to worse you can buy one of these from kvar.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16586&cat=0&page=3

Then have your friend order the kit for you and have him send everything except the barrel which you could resell to recoup some cash.

[grammaton76]

So can you legally purschase krinks kits if your receivers are already built into rifles???

I'm pretty sure that what Bill's saying, is that constructive possession would apply because you could press out a 16" AK barrel and press in the SBR barrel.

[morepoop4u]

I'm pretty sure that what Bill's saying, is that constructive possession would apply because you could press out a 16" AK barrel and press in the SBR barrel.

Too bad that "The use of a tool," doesn't apply here

[E Pluribus Unum]

The only way to get around the SBR/construtive possession stuff is if you had a pistol receiver and were building a pistol. That has its own separate load of grief in CA...

Not completely true....

I have never owned an AK rifle; I have no receiver 80% or otherwise.

I could order one of those kits, modify the barrel as described, pin the magazine as described, and then purchase the receiver.

[JPglee1]

Damn and I so wanted to do a krink next,Guess I should have done that first before my romy G builds

It can be done here...I know of at least one w/a permanently attached fake can on it and a 16.5" barrel....

J

[leelaw]

There is absolutely NOTHING illegal about getting a demilled kit shipped to Kali. The kit is not considered a firearm by the BATF (if demilled correctly) and Kali law has nothing more to say about it. The only possible way you could run afoul with the law is if the kit included a magazine which held more than 10 rounds... but you already noted that.

However, when you actually ASSEMBLE the kit you run the risk of violating the law (if assembled "incorrectly")- but, ah, you already knew that.

INCORRECT!

That would fall under FEDERAL SBR law, which has a constructive possession clause. If the barrel is under 16" and is near a receiver that can hold it, it is a constructive possession of a SBR. go to prison, do not pass go.

[jumbopanda]

Damn...constructive possession is such a load of BS.

[Solidsnake87]

I bought a new AR upper instead I'll just have to have the K-var 16inch kit sent to nevada when I decide to build. That 16 inch kit requires the headsmithing of a gunsmith (or somebody more experienced than me) since its a new unassembled kit. Finding an gunsmith to build that kit will still make the ned product in the $1200-1700 range.

[morepoop4u]

The kit that you ordered off of gunbroker just needed this

http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=4246393.27584*vc7lP0&p_id=02017&xm=on&ppinc=big

Just drill it and drop a detent pin in and tack weld over it. It takes about 30 mins.

here's a tutorial
scroll down

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782

[bwiese]

Morepoop,

Jeezus, you just don't get it. DON'T ORDER THE FRIGGIN' KIT IF YOU OWN A RECEIVER OR A GUN THAT CAN ACCEPT THE BBL IN THE KIT. Disassembled it's still an illegal combo.

Even if you intend to lengthen the bbl the moment that kit is in your possession you can be considered possessing an illegal SBR for the time before doing the bbl lengthening w/permanent attachment.

Even if you had made the change you suggest, there's still a good chance that paperwork (receipts, Ebay logs, etc.) could indicate you acquired the parts illegally.

Have someone else (knowledgable!) do the bbl for you before you accept the bbl; don't order receivers that are open-bolt designs and don't have disassembled parts kits and receivers that can make an MG as their primary outcome.

Some of you folks are gonna go to jail, I see the noobs here going blithely along on a vast cloud of misconceptions. CA law ain't the only thing you gotta worry about - and this constructive possession concept applies at both CA and Fed level for SBRs and MGs.

One Calgunner is in trouble for an SMG - he bought an 80% receiver off EBay (and there's really no such thing as an 80% receiver!) and had a parts kit in possession. He never even began the build. While he did have intent to build a legal semiauto, and CA-legal to boot, that didn't matter.

(BTW the sale of one of the items on Ebay may well have been the ATF or an ATF stooge.)