getting Krinkov kits in CA, help needed!

[Solidsnake87]

Hello all,

I just bought an AKS-74U krinkov kit on gunbroker. The plan was to have it sent a friend in Nevada so that I could pick it up and modify the mag it comes with to meet legal standards. Well, my friend is on vacation and is unreachable. Is it illegal to have the kit shipped to CA without the magazine?????? The barrel is 8 inches long. I know normal AK kits are not a problem but this one is different due to the short barrel. Don't respond if you don't know the answer. I don't want guesses. I want the facts. I know kits are not considered firearms but I need help.

Thanks all!

[devjunk762]

There is absolutely NOTHING illegal about getting a demilled kit shipped to Kali. The kit is not considered a firearm by the BATF (if demilled correctly) and Kali law has nothing more to say about it. The only possible way you could run afoul with the law is if the kit included a magazine which held more than 10 rounds... but you already noted that.

However, when you actually ASSEMBLE the kit you run the risk of violating the law (if assembled "incorrectly")- but, ah, you already knew that.

[blkA4alb]

If you own a receiver that the kit will fit on DO NOT be in possession of the short barrel. You would fall under constructive possession of a SBR.

[insin]

DO NOT be in possession of the short barrel. You would fall under constructive possession of a SBR.

Thats what I always thought also.

[Solidsnake87]

I do not have the receiver yet. I won't even bother with it until the barrel has the fake silencer attached. Am I still golden then???????

[blkA4alb]

I do not have the receiver yet. I won't even bother with it until the barrel has the fake silencer attached. Am I still golden then???????

It sounds like it, make sure that the fake silencer is permanantly attached (silver solder, welded over pin, etc.)

[bwiese]

Jeezus, another guy just asking for trouble.

One Calgunner has already been hit by BATF for constructive possession of SMG (had a so-called 80% receiver and separate parts kit). I expect more of these cases. In fact, this supposedly 'slipped' thru EBay, and I'm getting the feeling the items may have in fact been sold w/EBay connivance by ATF or someone under ATF control (working off some charges, etc.)

Yes, a Krink kit alone is perfectly legal to have, even w/short bbl. You could be building an AK pistol.

The moment you get such a kit and have a purchased receiver in your posession - even if it's 3000+ miles away in your vacation home in Maine - you've just acquired an SBR. (Any receiver you purchase in CA, unless it's been PPT'd and has a clear chain of never being transferred as a rifle from its manufacture, is not gonna be suitable for pistol builds.)

If you're trying to build a pistol from a homebuilt receiver you might have a fighting chance, but get rid of rear stock beforehand.

Frankly I'd like to discourage some of this activity, some folks are gonna get really burned even beyond what happened to the other Calgunner busted w/disassembled SMG kit + tube receiver not fully drilled.

[Solidsnake87]

I purchased an NDS-3 in the past but its already been assembled into a long gun. Should I should wait until my buddy gets back from vacation?

If you're trying to build a pistol from a homebuilt receiver you might have a fighting chance, but get rid of rear stock beforehand

Perhaps you did not read my other thread. This will have a welded fake can and the stock will be pinned. The rifle will be gripless. And I'll just have to find a 10 round mag.

[xenophobe]

Perhaps you did not understand Bill.

Until that barrel is permanently extended past 16", owning it and a rifle or receiver that it can be attached to constitutes possession of an unregistered SBR.

If you already own a Cali-AK build of any sort, just owning the 8" krink barrel is a felony.

[Solidsnake87]

All I can say is SH&$. lol. I just sent the seller an e-mail.

[bwiese]

I keep saying, these parts kits are gonna get lotsa folks in trouble.

Generally regular ARs and FALs are one thing, AKs generally OK, but many other parts kits + receivers can get one in deep doo-doo.

Also, the scrapped rifles making up the parts kits are often just dumped in the box by min. wage labor. If you ask for a parts kit minus certain parts, there's a fair chance your order may not be obeyed.

[Solidsnake87]

Thanks for the info guys. I've just contacted gunbroker and the seller to try and annul the auction.

[Q]

the nds3 is not compatable with 5.45 caliber. i would just spend the extra money and buy this one if i was looking for a krinkov but it is not in 5.45.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=198

but if i already have the tools and like gunsmithing or repairing i would probably try to build my own. for me i would rather buy new that way i can always sue.

[Solidsnake87]

The seller agreed to cancell my item. I guess if I had gotten in trouble he would have gotten in trouble also. It kind of sucks that I must now pay for a fully built rifle because the damn kits are an SBR no matter what type of AK receiver you have........ Building an AKS-74U would run $1000. Buying is $1500-$1700

[bwiese]

because the damn kits are an SBR no matter what type of AK receiver you have........

The only way to get around the SBR/construtive possession stuff is if you had a pistol receiver and were building a pistol. That has its own separate load of grief in CA...

Smart people that want a short bbl built up to legit rifle order the bbl from a vendor that can do a good legal job of pinning/welding a muzzle extension to bring OAL bbl length to 16", or have the kit vendor ship the kit to a gunsmith.