Most accurate 7.62x39 rifle?

[CSACANNONEER]

They're talking about hitting 8" plates at 100yds.

If that's the criteria for defining "accurate" I'm not sure there's an inaccurate x39 rifle.

Hitting it every time would be considered "accurate" by definition. As far as that goes, off a REST, my homebuilt AK pistol hits the 200 and 300 yard gongs at Angeles +80% of the time with surplus ammo and iron sights.

It amazes me how no one, who has posted in this thread, seems to know the difference between accuracy and precision http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision . To me, it's sort of like clips and magazines or bullets vs. loaded ammo.

[ar15barrels]

It amazes me how no one, who has posted in this thread, seems to know the difference between accuracy and precision http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision . To me, it's sort of like clips and magazines or bullets vs. loaded ammo.

I know the difference, but "accuracy" is so universally mis-used that I won't even bother to fight that fight.

For those who have no idea what we are talking about, to be technically correct, "accuracy" is a measure of how close to the intended aiming point your shots landed while "precision" is how close the individual shots landed to each other.

You can have a "precision" rifle that's not "accurate" because of wind or shooter skill and you can have an "accurate" rifle that's not "precise" because of gun/ammo issues.
Ultimately, we strive for both accuracy and precision.

Precise, but not accurate:


Accurate, but not precise:

[aplinker]

Hitting it every time would be considered "accurate" by definition. As far as that goes, off a REST, my homebuilt AK pistol hits the 200 and 300 yard gongs at Angeles +80% of the time with surplus ammo and iron sights.

It amazes me how no one, who has posted in this thread, seems to know the difference between accuracy and precision http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision . To me, it's sort of like clips and magazines or bullets vs. loaded ammo.

Nitpicking to that level on CG will just get you frustrated. It's a bit like expecting a 3 year old to be able to speak in perfect English.

It's much easier/more beneficial to just hold the conversation at the level they're capable.

[CSACANNONEER]

Randall,
I know that both you and plinker know the difference. I am just surprised that, even after my post, everyone, including the OP has continued to incorrectly use the word "accurate". I was just trying to help people become better educated and sound like real shooters vs. casual bubbas.

aplinker,
I know I'm not the most edumacated one here but, do you really think that I should start posting in only single syllable words and keep candy on hand for when others "do good"?

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Nitpicking to that level on CG will just get you frustrated. It's a bit like expecting a 3 year old to be able to speak in perfect English.

It's much easier/more beneficial to just hold the conversation at the level they're capable.

"I could care less" about your vocabulary snobbery!

fine, I'm asking if there is currently a production-grade rifle in x39 caliber that's capable of shooting tight groups with normally available ammo. Is accuracy (oh God here comes the no fun police) with such a rifle on a par with say, a typical 30-30 lever action rifle using regular factory ammo? Is it better? Worse? Why or why not?

I'm not expecting something that's capable of MOA (that's precision, right?), just something that's roughly better than a win94 30-30.

[ar15barrels]

do you really think that I should start posting in only single syllable words and keep candy on hand for when others "do good"?

I like pie.

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I like pie.

I'm partial to donuts, but we three-year old casual bubbas need to stick together. Like groups from a precise rifle.

[ar15barrels]

I'm asking if there is currently a production-grade rifle in x39 caliber that's capable of shooting tight groups with normally available ammo. Is accuracy with such a rifle on a par with say, a typical 30-30 lever action rifle using regular factory ammo? Is it better? Worse? Why or why not.

Now you are really comparing actions, not cartridges.
The 30-30 is very precise in a bolt action, but not as much in a lever action.
The 7.62x39 with brass cased USA made ammo would be about equally precise from a factory bolt action as a 30-30 from a bolt action.
However, I would not expect that same ammo to be as precise in an autoloading 7.62x39 as I would 30-30 from a lever action rifle.
This is primarily a function of sights though.
You can put techsights on an SKS and get better groups than a factory winchester 94, but if you put a tang mounted peep sight on the 94, it would shoot right there with the techsighted sks.
The 94's trigger will still be better than the SKS.

[nn3453]

I like pie.

So will reloading save me money? That is why you guys reload isn't it? But combloc x39 is so cheap already.

Why is the earth round? Did the chicken cross the road left to right or right to left?

[CSACANNONEER]

"I could care less" about your vocabulary snobbery!

fine, I'm asking if there is currently a production-grade rifle in x39 caliber that's capable of shooting tight groups with normally available ammo. Is accuracy (oh God here comes the no fun police) with such a rifle on a par with say, a typical 30-30 lever action rifle using regular factory ammo? Is it better? Worse? Why or why not?

I'm not expecting something that's capable of MOA (that's precision, right?), just something that's roughly better than a win94 30-30.

It's not about vocab snobbery, it's about understanding what you are talking about. It's sort of like the difference between a quick car and a fast car. A quick car may be "fast" off the line but, it might top out at 70mph. A fast car may be slow off the line but will top out at +160mph. (Or, whatever speeds you want to use). What most people end up doing is thinking that either word will work to describe both adjective. Then, it's up to the one(s) they are communicating with to figure out what they are really trying to say.

Yes, moa would be indicitive of precision.

The main problem with the caliber in question is, just like Randall already posted, the ammo! If you really want to see how well the caliber can shoot, you'll have to do some load development and find out what works best in your barrel, under the conditions that you will be shooting. This is one of the many projects that are on my long "want to do list". But, I think there are better calibers out there so, I just use cheap 7.62x39 for plinking and have fun with it.

[ar15barrels]

So will reloading save me money? That is why you guys reload isn't it? But combloc x39 is so cheap already.

Why is the earth round? Did the chicken cross the road left to right or right to left?

You won't save money reloading 7.62x39 unless you compare the prices of equal quality ammo.
If you are comparing steel cased comblock ammo to brass cased reloads with non-magnetic bullets, there's no price advantage.
If you wanted to hunt in a condor zone, you will be hard pressed to find lead-free factory 7.62x39 at all, but you could easily load it yourself.

The earth is round because of surface tension.

As for the chicken...

[CSACANNONEER]

Come here little Randall. Do you want some pie?









Pie and donuts can't stay around my house long. But, I'll have to get some of each for the next Calguns thing I host. That is, if both of you end up coming. As a matter of fact, right now, my wife is pissed at me for eating her last donut. It was just a Hostess mini but, it was all that was here. I guess I have to get her some real donuts in the morning.


The difference in precision of 30-30s and 7.62x39 has more to do with bullet profile than anything else. Of course, that's if you are going to compare both of them being shot from the same type of action. TC Contenders would be an excellent choice for a side by side comparision. Also, hand loads with similar bullet profiles should be used along with factory ammo.

So will reloading save me money? That is why you guys reload isn't it? But combloc x39 is so cheap already.

Why is the earth round? Did the chicken cross the road left to right or right to left?

Reloading does not save money. It does allow you to shoot a lot more for the same cost though. In the end, you will get much better ammo than store bought, take pride in the fact that you loaded it and enjoy a new hobby.

The earth is round because of surface tension.

But, why is the sky blue?

[ar15barrels]

This is one of the many projects that are on my long "want to do list". But, I think there are better calibers out there so, I just use cheap 7.62x39 for plinking and have fun with it.

The 7.62x39 case is a very efficient case.
Look at 2015BR, 1680 and 4198 as your prime candicates for accuracy.
The cast bullet guys love this little guy, sometimes blowing out to a 30br type case.

[nn3453]

You won't save money reloading 7.62x39 unless you compare the prices of equal quality ammo.
If you are comparing steel cased comblock ammo to brass cased reloads with non-magnetic bullets, there's no price advantage.
If you wanted to hunt in a condor zone, you will be hard pressed to find lead-free factory 7.62x39 at all, but you could easily load it yourself.

Meant sarcasm. Can't believe so many people complain about inaccuracy when it often is the ammo or the shooter. Reload your 7.62x39 and everything will be great.

Good sights help too as you have pointed out.

[ar15barrels]

But, why is the sky blue?

The sunlight reflects off the ocean and iluminates the water vapor in the atmosphere.