AR & AK dirt/sand reliability test videos

[4thSBCT]

heres a list of users who thought the test was BS
technique
shmeddie
unclejesse
Timberland
HK45 Guy
impactco
AKjunkie
Crusader
sspen003
supermario
socomIInato
sd1023x
Rob454
Neil McCauley
FeuerFrei
Mossy
bomb on bus
five.five-six
SMGLee
bombadillo
McCrown
4thSBCT



Heres the list of people who thought the test was good, I even included people who just said WOW , or thats cool

afro
sunshine
henry hill
josh3239
weekendwarrior
saym14
joe788
dieselpwer
vtec44
jrock
mydogsmonkey
irishpirate

Do you need me to count them for you?

[J_Rock]

The first test was BS

The 2nd was better but in no way scientific. So dont you even dare lump me in some column. I found them entertaining thats all.

The fact that you are even doing this is stupid because the 2nd open bolt test came out a few days after the thread was created. Alot of people watched the 1st test calling it BS(to which I agree) and never even commented on (or saw) the 2nd test. So lol at you for trying to manipulate statistics.

I can't believe you are getting so butthurt over these tests. It would lead me to believe you have some kind of emotional agenda. Take the vids as entertainment. Or pop a cold one and stop raging so much.

[4thSBCT]

the AR15 can take dirt

proof!

. Like I keep telling you guys....just take it easy ok your AR is reliable. No ones attacking your precious AR just the guys testing methods.

[Joe788]

heres a list of users who thought the test was BS
technique
shmeddie
unclejesse
Timberland
HK45 Guy
impactco
AKjunkie
Crusader
sspen003
supermario
socomIInato
sd1023x
Rob454
Neil McCauley
FeuerFrei
Mossy
bomb on bus
five.five-six
SMGLee
bombadillo
McCrown
4thSBCT



Heres the list of people who thought the test was good, I even included people who just said WOW , or thats cool

afro
sunshine
henry hill
josh3239
weekendwarrior
saym14
joe788
dieselpwer
vtec44
jrock
mydogsmonkey
irishpirate

Do you need me to count them for you?

I don't need you to count anything. I just want you to back up the original comments you made. Nothing more, nothing less.

You shot your mouth off 4 pages ago without even watching the videos, and then instead of admitting it, you've dragged this out, dodging and weaving at every corner.

So, one more time, what should have been done differently in this test:

An AR and AK were both laid in the dirt, ejection port up, safety off. One weapon functioned, and one didn't.

[4thSBCT]

joe788 the answers you seek are there you just have to read peoples posts...

I think the scientific method should be applied to this subject. Have a control AR and AK and a test AR and AK. Then introduce the same amount of sand into each test gun in small increments until you start see failures. For example put a half tablespoon of sand into the ejection port in the AR and the exact same amount into the AK though it's ejection port. Then if neither gun jams then move up another half table spoon in each test gun until failures are observed. We need to be more logical and less emotional. Isn't that what we preach to our anti-gun politicians?

And then you could test every rifle you want to in the same way to gauge their reliability factor. Thus having a standardized test to apply to all rifles. We could also devise a similar test to test out the reliability of handguns and so on. Just a thought.

[J_Rock]

I don't need you to count anything. I just want you to back up the original comments you made. Nothing more, nothing less.

You shot your mouth off 4 pages ago without even watching the videos, and then instead of admitting it, you've dragged this out, dodging and weaving at every corner.

So, one more time, what should have been done differently in this test:

An AR and AK were both laid in the dirt, ejection port up, safety off. One weapon functioned, and one didn't.

He'll never admit it. Several people have already shot down his arguments. Id say hes been thoroughly proven wrong so theres really nothing else to say.

the rest of his posts will be made up of more question dodging and trolling

[Joe788]

joe788 the answers you seek are there you just have to read peoples posts...

I'm not talking about other people's test suggestions. I'm just waiting for YOU specifically, to back up the comments that YOU made.

[dieselpower]

Yea everyone who doesn't know how to properly handle a rifle agrees with you. Most people know the safety only comes off when your about to pull the trigger and goes right back on after you fire. With that being said, The AK's dust cover would be closed in a realistic situation. In addition, Even if there was an amature running around with the safety off on his AK there's no way you would get the amount of dirt they shoveled into that AK by falling or dropping your rifle. These things are pretty common sense. Most people on this thread picked up on them.

From Spetsnaz in the war in Chechnya to EVEN rebels in Somolia, with zero training, don't buy your safetys off scenario. Even they know to keep it on. So much for your real world scenario.

Are you kidding me???

You have no idea what side of this debate you are no...you just proved OUR POINT. While standing around doing NOTHING but posing for a camera shot the M4A1 port door would be CLOSED. If dropped it most likely will be PORT DOOR DOWN.

What does this prove...freaking nothing. we all agreed with that...

Maybe we should UP the test. I know..maybe have both firearms ready to fire AS THEY WOULD BE IN COMBAT and drop some sand on the open ejection port. gee I wish someone would post a video on that test...too bad no one has EVER done that and posted the results on youtube...

I am done here

[4thSBCT]

Its ok guys calm down i will adress each question seperatly ask away

[4thSBCT]

I'm not talking about other people's test suggestions. I'm just waiting for YOU specifically, to back up the comments that YOU made.

Thats creepy man save that kind of talk for haloween

[J_Rock]

Thats creepy man save that kind of talk for haloween

This isnt trolling how?

[Yak]

I am failing to see what people are having a hard time comprehending.

-Mags inserted in both rifles- Check
-Both dust covers open and rifles placed ejection port side up- Check
-Both rifles in battery and ready to fire- Check
-Both safties off- Check
-Both rifles covered in dirt- Check
-Both rifles taken out of dirt and shaken- Check
-Both rifle triggers depressed to see if they function- Check

What is unscientific about these videos? All that these videos are showing is that under identical circumstances one rifle functioned and one did not.

Draw your own conclusions based on this particular experiment.

[SPUTTER]

Damn....I seen all these pages and was was thinking, "someone really dumped sand in their AR".

[akjunkie]

I am failing to see what people are having a hard time comprehending.

-Mags inserted in both rifles- Check
-Both dust covers open and rifles placed ejection port side up- Check
-Both rifles in battery and ready to fire- Check
-Both safties off- Check
-Both rifles covered in dirt- Check
-Both rifles taken out of dirt and shaken- Check
-Both rifle triggers depressed to see if they function- Check

What is unscientific about these videos? All that these videos are showing is that under identical circumstances one rifle functioned and one did not.

Draw your own conclusions based on this particular experiment.

Just an observations, but possibly the AKs were using Used/Worn out/Defective mags?

[socomIInato]

just fired over 300 rds out of my ak74 in the mojave, no jams! oops forgot to throw rocks into reciever opening! sorry, oh yea love my 30rd mags yes it`s a RAW!