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  • supermario
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 4569

    Whats the difference between M1A vs M14

    After reading an ongoing debate in the for sale forum, I got really interested in the difference between a Springfield M1A vs the Norinco M14(semi and cali legal). What is the difference? Are they both tuff reliable rifles.

    On another comparison, which rifle do you think would be more durable and reliable the M1a/M14 or the POF 308.

    Thanks guys and I am not trying to start a debate or argument, I am very interested in both types of rifles and I will be getting a 308cal rifle, so I am just trying to see what would be worth more and which one do you guys think is very durable and will last longer. I dont clean my guns often but I dont shoot them often either!
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    sevensix2x51
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3835

    well seeing as springfield has been building that action for almost 70 years, id have to go with them over the chinese variant. i dont know what you mean by POF 308,but im not really good at three letter acronyms, either. so i cant comment on that.

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    • #3
      Technical Ted
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Oct 2005
      • 12169

      Originally posted by sevensix2x51
      well seeing as springfield has been building that action for almost 70 years, id have to go with them over the chinese variant. i dont know what you mean by POF 308,but im not really good at three letter acronyms, either. so i cant comment on that.
      There's a big difference between the original Springfield Armory, which was run by the US Army and Springfield Armory Incorporated, a private company took the name of the US Army facility.

      With some work and USGI parts, the Norinco rifle can be made into a nice rifle
      Last edited by Technical Ted; 09-21-2009, 1:52 PM.
      Originally posted by ChrisTKHarris
      That is one of the most idiotic statements I've heard. You are a retard.

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      • #4
        Technical Ted
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        • Oct 2005
        • 12169

        M14 is the military designation of the original USGI rifle.

        M1A was the company designation for their product based on the M14.

        Major difference is that the M14 receiver has a location for either a selector switch or an inert plug. The selector determines whether the rifle fires full auto or semi auto.
        Originally posted by ChrisTKHarris
        That is one of the most idiotic statements I've heard. You are a retard.

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        • #5
          supermario
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 4569

          Originally posted by Technical Ted
          There's a big difference between the original Springfield Armory, which was run by the US Army and Springfield Armory Incorporated, a private company took the name of the US Army facility.
          Aww i didnt know that. So what about the Springfield Armory
          Incorporated M1a's? vs the Norinco M14? Do you know the quality difference?

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            supermario
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 4569

            Originally posted by sevensix2x51
            well seeing as springfield has been building that action for almost 70 years, id have to go with them over the chinese variant. i dont know what you mean by POF 308,but im not really good at three letter acronyms, either. so i cant comment on that.
            Patriot Ordnance Factory Inc. (POF)
            Its a AR10 (style) 308cal rifle. Just wondering what people think of the two comparing side by side.

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            • #7
              Technical Ted
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              • Oct 2005
              • 12169

              Originally posted by Technical Ted
              Major difference is that the M14 receiver has a location for either a selector switch or an inert plug. The selector determines whether the rifle fires full auto or semi auto.
              Because of this feature, actual M14 receivers are considered NFA weapons. Few if any make it into civilian hands.
              Originally posted by ChrisTKHarris
              That is one of the most idiotic statements I've heard. You are a retard.

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              • #8
                Bowser
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 1969

                If you want as many USGI parts in your M14 type rifle, then you need to get an LRB M14SA. They're 8 months out when I called them a few weeks ago.

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                • #9
                  gn3hz3ku1*
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 4276

                  Originally posted by supermario
                  Aww i didnt know that. So what about the Springfield Armory
                  Incorporated M1a's? vs the Norinco M14? Do you know the quality difference?
                  i think the biggest is forged receivers and chrome lined barrels? (norincos have this feature)

                  i think the issues with the norincos was the bolt is a bit soft?

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                  • #10
                    wash
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 9011

                    The Norinco's have a forged receiver vs. a cast receiver in the Springfield.

                    Some people say this doesn't matter.

                    The problem with Norinco's was that some had a bolt with improper hardening. That can be solved with a properly fitted GI M14 bolt.

                    If the price was right, I would take the Norinco and get it's bolt changed.

                    I thought about doing that once but I decided I'm really a FAL man and a M1 Garand is close enough to a M14 for me to pretend without spending the $$.
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                    • #11
                      supermario
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4569

                      Originally posted by wash
                      The Norinco's have a forged receiver vs. a cast receiver in the Springfield.

                      Some people say this doesn't matter.

                      The problem with Norinco's was that some had a bolt with improper hardening. That can be solved with a properly fitted GI M14 bolt.

                      If the price was right, I would take the Norinco and get it's bolt changed.

                      I thought about doing that once but I decided I'm really a FAL man and a M1 Garand is close enough to a M14 for me to pretend without spending the $$.

                      thanks for the Info, when i buy guns, i usually keep them forever, thats why I ask soo many questions. Sounds like a Norinco with G.i. bolt would be a good choice.

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                      • #12
                        supermario
                        Veteran Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 4569

                        Originally posted by Bowser
                        If you want as many USGI parts in your M14 type rifle, then you need to get an LRB M14SA. They're 8 months out when I called them a few weeks ago.


                        What is this?

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                        • #13
                          vf111
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 2605

                          M1A is Springfield Armory Inc.'s commercial designation of their semi-auto commercial clone of the US Rifle M14.

                          A true M14 is the official US Army designation for a select fire battle rifle and is generally illegal to own by regualar US citizens asall M14's are select fire. That is why Springfield's commercial M14 is named an M1A as BATF had a cow about the "M14" designation back in the early 70's. That said, general usage amongst civves calls all semi-auto M14 clones "M14" or "M1A" (whether it s a SPringfield or not).

                          As an FYI, the Polytech (and Norinco I believe) is stamped "M14S", the LRB is stamped "M14SA" or "M25", and the Armscorp is stamped "M14NM" . I do not recall what Fulton and Federal Ordnance stamps theirs.

                          The Polytech and Norinco M14's are a little rough but they have chrome lined barrels and drop forged receivers like LRB's unlike the M1A which is investment cast w/ non-CL barrels (unless you get luck and get one w/ a USGI barrel). But the bolts can be soft, the headspace can be excessive, the trigger parts are soft as well. However, if you just keep an eye on the headspace and as long as it stays under a Field gage, you can just shoot it and replace the Chinese parts w/ USGI parts as your pocketbok allows.

                          Finally, for all the info you will ever need about the M14/ M1A go here: http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/welcome.html
                          Last edited by vf111; 09-21-2009, 2:27 PM.

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                          • #14
                            vf111
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 2605

                            Originally posted by supermario
                            What is this?
                            The best M14 commercial clone money can buy: http://www.lrbarms.com/

                            Since the supply of USGI parts is slowly drying up, LRB now uses commercial barrels and op-rods in their builds. Not sure what else but since they're also manufacturing some of their own parts (gas cylinder assmebly, flash-hider, etc.) their rifles are probably having fewer and fewer USGI parts. Although I would keep in mind LRB's commercial parts are of excellent quality. They have a reputation of being a top-notch boutique manufacturer to maintain and, considering how discerning the M14 community is, it would not be good for them to sell guns of spotty quality (like Springfield).
                            Last edited by vf111; 09-21-2009, 2:31 PM.

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                            • #15
                              jdberger
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 8944

                              Fulton is stamped "US Rifle M14".

                              That said, the LRB is the gold standard. My Fulton is a parts gun assembled/built by Warbirds Custom.

                              Oh - Springfield Armory guns have a lifetime guarantee.
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