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  • #16
    FNGGlock
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 1289

    Originally posted by ysr_racer
    Agreed.

    In terms of velocity or recoil?

    Velocity, I haven't tested it in my direct blowback yet. Today was delayed blowback.

    In terms of recoil, yes. If you shoot PCC class it's worth the cost to convert. Much less dot bounce. If you're just going to the range to have fun, no not worth it.
    Interested to see if there is a difference in velocity.
    In terms of recoil looking for something ultra soft shooting for the wife, when she wants step up from 22s

    Originally posted by 2017mini14
    Do you ever shoot steel closer than 100 yards with a PCC rifle? Maybe 50 yards, or is that to close?
    9mm PCCs are fine on steel at any distance. Guys run them as close as 10 yds or less at AP. I like to use mine to put a smiley face on a full size steel target with fresh paint at 15yds or so. Not really a challenge to do it offhand with a red dot.

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    • #17
      ysr_racer
      Banned
      • Mar 2006
      • 12014

      Originally posted by FNGGlock
      Interested to see if there is a difference in velocity.
      In terms of recoil looking for something ultra soft shooting for the wife, when she wants step up from 22s
      .
      This is the softest modification you can make to any 9mm PCC, and it takes about ten minutes to install.



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      • #18
        ysr_racer
        Banned
        • Mar 2006
        • 12014

        Do any of you guys run coated bullets like Blue or Bayou in your PCC?

        Or just plated?

        Or just jacketed?

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        • #19
          2017mini14
          Senior Member
          • May 2017
          • 662

          I'm currently using 115grn fp red polymer coated bullets with 5.3 grains of A#5.
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          • #20
            Kokopelli
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 3383

            Originally posted by ysr_racer
            Do any of you guys run coated bullets like Blue or Bayou in your PCC?

            Or just plated?

            Or just jacketed?
            I run cast, powder coated lead without problems as well as Federal Snytech coated lead. It all works well in my PCC.
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            • #21
              bfoosh006
              Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 345

              FWIW...Here are the velocities from 129 factory 9MM loads out of my 16" Colt pattern PCC.

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              • #22
                ysr_racer
                Banned
                • Mar 2006
                • 12014

                Originally posted by bfoosh006
                FWIW...Here are the velocities from 129 factory 9MM loads out of my 16" Colt pattern PCC.

                https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/...29025#i7429025
                Wow, thanks

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                • #23
                  sigstroker
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 19136

                  Originally posted by ysr_racer
                  Cool, what's his Calguns username
                  I doubt he would want to have anything to do with anything kali related.

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                  • #24
                    bfoosh006
                    Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 345

                    Originally posted by ysr_racer
                    Wow, thanks
                    You are welcome, Enjoy !

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                    • #25
                      SharedShots
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2021
                      • 2277

                      The difference is load dependent. If you reload or compare different loads (same bullet weight) from different manufacturers, you can get much greater velocities from a 16" barrel than from shorter ones. Testing one or a few loads doesn't provide good data to make across the board conclusions.

                      Take the 68 grain Lehigh for example. Getting them to 2000 fps out of a 16" barrel isn't difficult. The factory loaded Underwoods likewise show a much higher velocity from a 16" barrel than a 5". From a 16" barrel they zip out close to 2600 fps, quite a bit faster than they shoot from a Taurus beretta clone at approx 2200 fps. That is quite a difference.

                      The HK94 pushes 70 grain projectiles close to 1900 fps while the same load is 1600+ out of a Taurus beretta 92 clone.

                      The projectile and powder can make a huge difference in velocities for different barrel lengths. Blanket statements aren't really valid. Even the velocities between different manufacturers of ammo is considerable with the same weight projectiles.

                      The ammo makers like Federal are optimizing some of their loads for short barrels. That should tell you that the load for the cartridge (type and amount of powder/primer/projectile combo is as important in velocity as barrel length.





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                      • #26
                        Coolguy101
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 654

                        As she said, longer is always better.

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                        • #27
                          crufflers
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 12723

                          You can use that what cha ma callit, MATH to figure averages.

                          Take a 4" barrel and compare to a 16" barrel.

                          ABOUT 15% is the increase averaging some popular velocities in 4" and 16" barrels from BBTI.

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                          • #28
                            ysr_racer
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 12014

                            Originally posted by SharedShots
                            The difference is load dependent. If you reload or compare different loads (same bullet weight) from different manufacturers, you can get much greater velocities from a 16" barrel than from shorter ones. Testing one or a few loads doesn't provide good data to make across the board conclusions.

                            Take the 68 grain Lehigh for example. Getting them to 2000 fps out of a 16" barrel isn't difficult. The factory loaded Underwoods likewise show a much higher velocity from a 16" barrel than a 5". From a 16" barrel they zip out close to 2600 fps, quite a bit faster than they shoot from a Taurus beretta clone at approx 2200 fps. That is quite a difference.

                            The HK94 pushes 70 grain projectiles close to 1900 fps while the same load is 1600+ out of a Taurus beretta 92 clone.

                            The projectile and powder can make a huge difference in velocities for different barrel lengths. Blanket statements aren't really valid. Even the velocities between different manufacturers of ammo is considerable with the same weight projectiles.

                            The ammo makers like Federal are optimizing some of their loads for short barrels. That should tell you that the load for the cartridge (type and amount of powder/primer/projectile combo is as important in velocity as barrel length.
                            .
                            99.9999% of people don't shoot that nonsense. They shoot 115/124 and some 147. Heavier bullets going slower "typically" feel softer.

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                            • #29
                              crufflers
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 12723

                              Glock 19 to Ruger PC Carbine or 16" AR9... 15% more is not nothing, but I always overestimate the zing a longer barrels adds. At some point all the powder is burned. You see a lot more improvement when the shorter barrel is wasting powder... like a .22 MAG in a 1" barrel.

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                              • #30
                                SharedShots
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2021
                                • 2277

                                Originally posted by ysr_racer
                                I've heard a 16" barrel costs you velocity over a 5" pistol, so I chrono-ed my go to load yesterday.

                                ...
                                Originally posted by ysr_racer
                                99.9999% of people don't shoot that nonsense. They shoot 115/124 and some 147. Heavier bullets going slower "typically" feel softer.
                                Don't blame me, you're the one that said you heard a 16" barrel costs you velocity over a 5".

                                That isn't true in almost all cases.

                                Maybe the .0001% of the people believe what you heard.

                                What does heavier bullets feeling softer have to do with anything?

                                I provided some info on what affects velocity such as powder/primer and projectile and some things to back it up.

                                The nonsense is the 99.9999% number you pulled out of who knows where. You made it up.




                                .
                                Let Go of the Status Quo!

                                Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

                                Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

                                Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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