whats the best budget tactical scope?

[rksimple]

the rest are machined and assemble here. The Body of a Leupold would be better made than a japanese scope. 've had Japanese Horus Scopes crack on the first shot because the tubes were not perfectly round.

Wrong. From the post of Terry Cross:

"Call back from Leupold informs me that the scopes are assembled in Oregon but so many of the parts and sub-assemblies are made over-seas (mostly China except for some of their lenses)that they do not qualify for the Made in USA stamp!"

Nightforces have tubes and subassemblies made in Japan and they beat the pants off of Loopy. Horus scopes aren't too hot. Don't use them as a Japanese benchmark.

[sholling]

I haven't laid eyes on one yet but the Mueller Tac II has had good reviews. Chuck Hawks puts them in the same league as a Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch, and Leupold VXII. There's a full review in the G&S members only area. If I were looking for a low cost "tactical" 3-10x44 I'd give it a serious look.

"Mueller designed their 3-10x44mm Tac II to bridge the gap between specialty tactical riflescopes and every-day hunting scopes. It is Mueller's top of the line model; a deluxe, four-star scope made in Japan and supplied with a Mildot reticle and target knobs. This 3-10x44 offers excellent optics, a comparatively wide field of view and adequate eye relief for use on high power rifles."

[SCMA-1]

But I've heard good things about the MIllett -- what do t hey cost?

SWFA sells (when in stock) the Millett TRS-1 for $300

http://swfa.com/Millett-4-16x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P8812.aspx

[ripcurlksm]

+1 for the Millett

[slagusmc]

wow..What happened to Leupold? Guess Im old school but I thought that Leupold was top of the line...Thought that $430 was a great deal for a Leupold Mark 2 4-12x40, thought that was the best I could do on $500 budget. If thats the case, I guess I should just buy another Falcon Menace, Ive had great luck with the one I have and I think the quality looks great but I figured for durability and realiabilty, the leupold was the far better scope...Wow...

[Jpach]

Which has more elevation adjustment, the Milletts or Bushnell Elite 4200s?

[sholling]

Which has more elevation adjustment, the Milletts or Bushnell Elite 4200s?

That's hard to say, 4200s don't have huge amounts of elevation but optically they aren't even close. The 4200 is vastly better than any Millett that I've seen, although that may be changing now that Bushnell owns them.

[swerv512]

i'm a leuppy fan, having two of them that have never given me problems- and leuppy customer service was top-notch when i sent a scope in for reticle and turret change, so i guess you'll have to choose whatever YOU like better. if you want something 100% made in the US you'll be forking over serious dough. there's crappy stuff made all over the world (japan and china included). pick what you like best and enjoy it...

[Jicko]

Leupold $300 Mark AR scopes. "Made in USA". Mil-dot, 1/2 MOA adjustment. Clear, clean glass. Lifetime warranty.

[ar15barrels]

Leupold $300 Mark AR scopes. "Made in USA". Mil-dot, 1/2 MOA adjustment. Clear, clean glass. Lifetime warranty.

Please post a picture where it shows the "made in the usa" mark on the leupold Mark AR scope.

[THT]

That Millett TRS looks awfully good...I might pick one up just to play with it and gift my SS to my FIL.

[SCMA-1]

Which has more elevation adjustment, the Milletts or Bushnell Elite 4200s?

There's no comparison; the Millett TRS-1 is a 30mm tube, Bushnell Elites are 1" (most models); Millett has approx. 100 MOA range of adjustment on both windage and elevation.

SCMA-1

[ar15barrels]

There's no comparison; the Millett TRS-1 is a 30mm tube, Bushnell Elites are 1" (most models); Millett has approx. 100 MOA range of adjustment on both windage and elevation.

SCMA-1

Oddly enough, most economy 30mm tubed scopes don't have erectors that are any larger in diameter to pass more light than 1" tubed scopes.
They just take 1" scope designs and make the tube bigger because people buy 30mm scopes because of the percieved advantage.

[rksimple]

And even then, bigger tubes don't pass more light at all. They just allow more erector travel.

But even the little 1" bushnell 3200 10x has an advertised 100moa internal adjustment. Sometimes, you can't judge a book by its cover.

[swerv512]

But even the little 1" bushnell 3200 10x has an advertised 100moa internal adjustment.

anyone ever count those MOA to verify? sure does seem like alot....