Semi-Auto MG42 with a bullet button AND ammo basket (UPDATE)

[Futurecollector]

Yes, but that shouldn't matter.

With a BB'ed AR I can just slap another magazine in at any time. It's the same.

Again, attachable magazines are OK.

The difference is that with an AR, you use a tool to pull the magazine out after it's empty, because it's a box magazine.

With an MG42, the magazine is literally being destroyed inside the firearm every pull of the trigger. With a disintegrating belt, you just get links out to the right. With a belt, you get an empty belt. But empty belts and empty links aren't magazines to CA.

Ok I had to know for sure if It could be loaded,

now,



you put a normal 10rd mag into the MG-42, you shoot it, there is nothing making you use the BB to load in another 10rds,

and If you use that mode of thinking about the mag being destroyed you then have your own answer to if you can reasemble them into mags later on,

[cmace22]

Im not going to pretend to know much of anything about MG42's but her is my question. If the law says ammunition feeding divice, doesnt a link fall into this catagory loaded with ammo or not. If I put a 30 rnd mag in my BB rifle it doesnt matter if its full of ammo or not. If the link is concidered an ammunition feeding divice loaded or not after you have fired all the rounds and the link pops out the other side you have just detached the ammuntion feeding divice without the use of a tool. Its like if after the last round in your AR the mag dropped out automatically. If Im reading all this correctly, you would have to figure out some way to keep the link attatched to the rifle after you have fired all the rounds.

[ke6guj]

With an MG42, the magazine is literally being destroyed inside the firearm every pull of the trigger. With a disintegrating belt, you just get links out to the right. With a belt, you get an empty belt. But empty belts and empty links aren't magazines to CA.

this is the heart of the matter. If the items that come of the ejection side is no longer a magazine, then this arguement may hold water, but even then could it be considered that you are "detaching them from existance without a tool"? Or is that 20-pound object a tool? But could the trigger be considered a detachable magazine release at that point?

[Futurecollector]

Fair enough... I thought I was missing something about links versus belts.



So, if a basket is tack welded to the feed tray that only allows 10 rounds to be inserted once the top cover is closed, would that seal the deal? Because with the top cover open you only have single shot rifle.

thanks,
Ron

That definatley seals the deal,

[CHS]

you put a normal 10rd mag into the MG-42, you shoot it, there is nothing making you use the BB to load in another 10rds,

That's irrelevant. You still never "detached" the magazine.

If you have a half-shot belt though, you do have to use the bullet button to remove the magazine.

and If you use that mode of thinking about the mag being destroyed you then have your own answer to if you can reasemble them into mags later on,

I can definitely, legally, re-assemble them into 10rd belts all day and every day.

[Futurecollector]

this is the heart of the matter. If the items that come of the ejection side is no longer a magazine, then this arguement may hold water, but even then could it be considered that you are "detaching them from existance without a tool"?

Couldnt the tool be the BCG? or wtv they call it on a MG42?

[CHS]

Im not going to pretend to know much of anything about MG42's but her is my question. If the law says ammunition feeding divice, doesnt a link fall into this catagory loaded with ammo or not. If I put a 30 rnd mag in my BB rifle it doesnt matter if its full of ammo or not. If the link is concidered an ammunition feeding divice loaded or not after you have fired all the rounds and the link pops out the other side you have just detached the ammuntion feeding divice without the use of a tool. Its like if after the last round in your AR the mag dropped out automatically. If Im reading all this correctly, you would have to figure out some way to keep the link attatched to the rifle after you have fired all the rounds.

No, it doesn't matter.

All that matters is that CA did the grunt work for us and defined exactly what a magazine was.

In the legal definition, they said linked or belted AMMUNITION.

Links and empty belts by themselves ARE NOT magazines in CA.

[Futurecollector]

That's irrelevant. You still never "detached" the magazine.

If you have a half-shot belt though, you do have to use the bullet button to remove the magazine..

but if you do shoot all of the ammo then you COULD load it fully without using a BB

I can definitely, legally, re-assemble them into 10rd belts all day and every day.

yes into 10rds but not into anything greater even if you did put a 50rd Preban link through it.

[ke6guj]

I can definitely, legally, re-assemble them into 10rd belts all day and every day.

so would it be your opinion that those that do have 1919a4 100-round cloth belts that they bought pre-2000 can't reload them past 10-rounds?

[Futurecollector]

so would it be your opinion that those that do have 1919a4 100-round cloth belts that they bought pre-2000 can't reload them past 10-rounds?

He is talking about links, not cloth belts.

[CHS]

but if you do shoot all of the ammo then you COULD load it fully without using a BB

That's still irrelevant. Attaching magazines is not illegal. It doesn't matter if you use the BB or not.

yes into 10rds but not into anything greater even if you did put a 50rd Preban link through it.

Well, we don't actually know that from a legal standpoint. It's never been fully looked into.

We know for a fact that it's legal to assemble 10rd belts. But we also don't know if we legally can't take a 50rd belt of ammo, shoot it, gather up the links, and re-assemble it into a 50rd belt. I think we can, but other people disagree. Again, not legally tested. It's not that we can't, it's that we don't know.

Besides, you're confusing the issue with hi-cap mags. That's irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is whether or not that MG42 with a bullet-button for a top-cover latch, utilizing 10rd belts, is legal with a pistol grip and shoulder stock.

[cmace22]

Yes, but that shouldn't matter.

With a BB'ed AR I can just slap another magazine in at any time. It's the same.

Again, attachable magazines are OK.

The difference is that with an AR, you use a tool to pull the magazine out after it's empty, because it's a box magazine.

With an MG42, the magazine is literally being destroyed inside the firearm every pull of the trigger. With a disintegrating belt, you just get links out to the right. With a belt, you get an empty belt. But empty belts and empty links aren't magazines to CA.

Its seems that if I attached a 10 round belt to my MG42 thats legal, and if I fired all the rounds and the belt came out the other side thats legal too. If belts and links are not mags then an MG42 can never have a detatchable mag unless the top cover is opened with rounds still on the belt/link. So having a BB top cover covers you *** if you need to pull out live rounds for some reason right.

[professorhard]

Is each individual link an ammunition feeding device? It would seem that if so each feeding device feeds exactly 1 round. or does there have to be more than 1? Is connecting them making a large capacity ammunition feeding device or are they simply interconnected devices, each of wich will feed one and only one round?

[ke6guj]

Its seems that if I attached a 10 round belt to my MG42 thats legal, and if I fired all the rounds and the belt came out the other side thats legal too. If belts and links are not mags then an MG42 can never have a detatchable mag unless the top cover is opened with rounds still on the belt/link. So having a BB top cover covers you *** if you need to pull out live rounds for some reason right.

No, Chris said "empty belts and links" aren't mags, not loaded belts or links.

[timdps]

really. So many of those that have "pre-ban" large-cap cloth belts aren't normally using them.

Cloth belts and standard length, non-disintegrating metal belts...

I'm thinking this is mostly for range use. I can see ROs getting nervous when someone loads a 100 round belt. 10 round belts lower the (OLL beltfed ) tension... Possibly with time this will be come less of a problem.