Kali Key

[hermosabeach]

OP-
why would you want to make a semi auto into a manually operated gun?

How will you use the rifle?

When you have a misfire, you can keep a cheek weld and use your support hand to run the action without breaking your firing grip and cheek weld... I would not want to do that for every shot.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/10/the-kali-key-ar-bolt-action-gimmick-or-californias-savior/

Personally- If I wanted a non semi auto- I would buy a non semi auto
pump- level- bolt- etc...

If I wanted a semi auto without the ergonomics of an featureless AR, I would buy one - Mini 14- Mini 30- M1A1 - etc




So help us understand why you picked up an AR and how you will use it?

[plumbum]

Far as I can see, the Kali Key is something meant for storage and transportation...

[fmunk]

Folks,

I have a new AR arriving soon. A friend suggested that I should get a Kali Key for it, and to my neophyte mind, seems like a good idea. I checked with the builder of my AR, but he has no experience with this mod. He said, "The only hitch to you retrofitting will be to ensure you use the bolt I headspace and ship with the rifle, presuming that it will fit that carrier. If not, you'll need to get the new bolt headspace to ensure it's good to go. There's lots of margin for error in 5.56 bolts, so I suspect it will HS fine, but always needs verifying just to be safe."

Does anyone in CalGunsLand have experience and knowledge to guide me in this?

Thanks and Happy New Year!

1. You should build the gun yourself instead of paying someone else to do it for you. Unless you are a total idiot and can't follow simple directions, which is available all over YouTube, you can easily and readily assemble a full working rifle with just a few basic tools. Doing so, you gain knowledge of how the AR works and will be better equipped to troubleshoot it (with that knowledge and the tools you've acquired to facilitate assembly.

2. Whether the CaliKey is going to fit the bill depends entirely on your intended use. If all you'll be doing is supported shooting from bench or prone, it'll be fine (save for some teething issues that are inherent with the product). Because you are turning a semi-auto gas operated rifle into a bolt action rifle, it will require some force from you to cycle the action... to overcome resistance of various springs and metal-on-metal friction. Because of this inherent downside, it's not ergonomic or well-suited for dynamic shooting.

Echoing other sentiments... IMO, it's the easiest to install compliance option for legal transport, storage and sale. Best? best for what is the real question.

[NapalmCheese]

Folks,

I have a new AR arriving soon. A friend suggested that I should get a Kali Key for it, and to my neophyte mind, seems like a good idea. I checked with the builder of my AR, but he has no experience with this mod. He said, "The only hitch to you retrofitting will be to ensure you use the bolt I headspace and ship with the rifle, presuming that it will fit that carrier. If not, you'll need to get the new bolt headspace to ensure it's good to go. There's lots of margin for error in 5.56 bolts, so I suspect it will HS fine, but always needs verifying just to be safe."

Does anyone in CalGunsLand have experience and knowledge to guide me in this?

Thanks and Happy New Year!

Do what you want with your gun, personally I think the idea of a bolt action AR is ridiculous. That being said this is straight from the kali key website:

Do I need to purchase your BCG (Bolt Carrier Group) for the Kali Key to work?
No. We supply high quality BCGs at a low cost as a convenience to our customers who want to dedicate a BCG to the Kali Key. Any mil-spec BCG will work with the Kali Key – even if the gas key is staked. Installation takes less than a couple of minutes! Please refer to our installation video to see how quick and easy it is.

Use the BCG that comes with your rifle, no worries about headspace, enjoy your rifle as you see fit.

[SkyHawk]

I see two reasons for doing this. First, the mod is temporary, allowing to swap back and forth as may be convenient Second, while the Kali Key is installed, the rifle can be transported legally with those evil features.

The exact same can be said for a maglatch, and it is a whole lot cheaper than a spare bolt and Kali Key. And it is quicker to restore to normal function.

And you can make your own for basically nothing.

[Jarhead]

1. You should build the gun yourself instead of paying someone else to do it for you. Unless you are a total idiot and can't follow simple directions, which is available all over YouTube, you can easily and readily assemble a full working rifle with just a few basic tools. Doing so, you gain knowledge of how the AR works and will be better equipped to troubleshoot it (with that knowledge and the tools you've acquired to facilitate assembly.

2. Whether the CaliKey is going to fit the bill depends entirely on your intended use. If all you'll be doing is supported shooting from bench or prone, it'll be fine (save for some teething issues that are inherent with the product). Because you are turning a semi-auto gas operated rifle into a bolt action rifle, it will require some force from you to cycle the action... to overcome resistance of various springs and metal-on-metal friction. Because of this inherent downside, it's not ergonomic or well-suited for dynamic shooting.

Echoing other sentiments... IMO, it's the easiest to install compliance option for legal transport, storage and sale. Best? best for what is the real question.

Unless you are a total idiot and can't follow simple directions,.............

Hey! Who was spying on me building my AR?

As long as you can hit a Man Size target at 500 your a Marksmen regardless what type of Firestick. Mujahideen defeated the Russians with Bolts plus stuff they made themselves..........without YouTube.

but I’m a Bandwagoner too, take it back to its gender at birth, and be proud of owning an Evil Rifle.

[vintagearms]

The exact same can be said for a maglatch, and it is a whole lot cheaper than a spare bolt and Kali Key. And it is quicker to restore to normal function.

And you can make your own for basically nothing.

Have you ever used a KaliKey?

[SkyHawk]

Have you ever used a KaliKey?

Nope, but I don't need to have used one to know that what I said about a homemade maglatch being cheaper and faster to remove, to be true. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

I do have a homemade maglatch or two and I do know how long it takes to remove one versus swapping a bolt carrier and CH or even an assembled BCG and CH on any one of over ten ARs I own, and I know there is no comparison in speed or price.

And my comment was only directed at the 'temporary', 'convenient to remove and install' and 'legal while stored' post. I am not saying that for a person who wants to try and live life actually using one or another of these products, that the maglatch is better. They both equally suck. Both are absolute last resort type stuff, IMO. And I don't need to have used a Kali Key to know that is true either.

[deephouse]

I think a little talked about downside to the KaliKey (but seen in videos) is that you have to take your Support hand off the forend to charge the next round. Maybe not so bad for bench shooting but if you want to do any drill work, run and gun, etc that constant reacquiring of support grip and then having to sight back in is going to get old fast. That is, when compared to shooting semi (having both hands on the rifle) and simply managing recoil and do minor adjustments to get back on target for follow up shots.

I mostly agree with what everyone else has said.


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[teflondog]

Far as I can see, the Kali Key is something meant for storage and transportation...

For this purpose, I'd rather go with a CompMag. It's even cheaper too.

[Devilock04]

https://devildogconcepts.com/side-charging-handle-system/

[Sparrow Dynamics]

Featureless semi-auto definitely makes for a more "useful" rifle. And more fun. Straight pull bolt action may see its day if the laws in CA get more restrictive. We are hopeful that we get a good ruling in Miller v. Becerra on Feb. 3rd to gain some freedom's back. Please follow and support FPC, California Gun Rights Foundation, Second Amendment Foundation who are plaintiffs in this case. It takes a ton of time and money to fight the state in court.