AK M10 DIY kit FFL issue

[Atlantic Firearms]

Folks , We do not currently list this item on the Atlantic site as being CA legal or in the CA legal section . We do not list in the item description that we offer options to modify the item in any way . We do clearly list multiple times on our site that the customer must discuss the item with the FFL dealer BEFORE placing the order to avoid issues. The item is listed on our site as a RIFLE and not a receiver.

[NoHeavyHitter]

Yeah. Every experience is a learning lesson. I always use them for my pistols and ar lowers so I didn't even think of double checking before ordering this.

If you are saying that you failed to clear this with your FFL in advance, then YOU screwed up big time... If that's the case, then you owe your FFL an apology and should handle it as they recommend.

Then, go find an FFL that is willing to handle a barreled receiver (who has worked w/Atlantic before), make sure they are OK with transferring it, then try again.

No firearm should *ever* arrive at an FFL without having been cleared in advance no matter what it is...

[Atlantic Firearms]

I wanted to add that Atlantic Firearms does offer several AK47 DIY kits that are classified as a receiver for transfer & do not have fire control so they can not fire . The M10 DIY AK47 Rifle is classified as a rifle by the importer and Rifle is listed in the item title . The M10 DIY has a Romanian fire control group installed so it can be fired and thus is considered a complete weapon .

[beanz2]

I wanted to add that Atlantic Firearms does offer several AK47 DIY kits that are classified as a receiver for transfer & do not have fire control so they can not fire . The M10 DIY AK47 Rifle is classified as a rifle by the importer and Rifle is listed in the item title . The M10 DIY has a Romanian fire control group installed so it can be fired and thus is considered a complete weapon .

[SVT-40]

It's because it's two different sections of the federal code. It's a firearm. But 922r allows the "count" of imported to take place after ALL the parts which could be used for 922r compliance to be added.

One example. A rifle which needs a US made magazine (three parts which count towards 922r compliance) doesn't have to have the magazine in the rifle to be in compliance. It just has to be available.

The end user (manufacturer) of the M10 kit is the responsible person for assuring 922r compliance by adding the parts such as US made stock, hand guard, pistol grip, muzzle device and magazine which could have three us made parts in it.

[beanz2]

It's because it's two different sections of the federal code. It's a firearm. But 922r allows the "count" of imported to take place after ALL the parts which could be used for 922r compliance to be added.

One example. A rifle which needs a US made magazine (three parts which count towards 922r compliance) doesn't have to have the magazine in the rifle to be in compliance. It just has to be available.

The end user (manufacturer) of the M10 kit is the responsible person for assuring 922r compliance by adding the parts such as US made stock, hand guard, pistol grip, muzzle device and magazine which could have three us made parts in it.

If that is the case, I can see an easy way for foreign rifle manufacturers to sell their carbines. Whose responsibility is it to ensure US-made parts are available? Many carbine versions of a gun were or have been delayed due to 922r.


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[SkyHawk]

Atlantic, thanks for coming in and clarifying!

OP - you might see if this can be sent by your FFL to Audiophil in AZ so he can remedy the situation, either by removing parts or adding a buttstock. Then have it sent back in to try again, this time with the prior blessing of your transfer FFL after they review pics.

And the previous posters made a good point - always have your FFL review anything you want to transfer in, before making a purchase

[BucDan]

Dang, that sucks OP. It's a nicely priced kit for being Romanian made. With furniture, about the same price as the WASR in total. Certainly a better deal than their in house builds for the same price.

[SVT-40]

If that is the case, I can see an easy way for foreign rifle manufacturers to sell their carbines. Whose responsibility is it to ensure US-made parts are available? Many carbine versions of a gun were or have been delayed due to 922r.

Most people won't buy incomplete firearms... Probably 99% would not.

Plus more profit to sell complete rifles.

Plus the issue to many in ban states like CA...

[beanz2]

Most people won't buy incomplete firearms... Probably 99% would not.

Plus more profit to sell complete rifles.

Plus the issue to many in ban states like CA...

[ar15barrels]

Atlantic probably would have done it for you if you bought some furniture from them. In my experience with them, they're always happy and willing to attach this and remove that it makes the gun transferrable and CA compliant

[COLOR="Blue"]Folks , We do not currently list this item on the Atlantic site as being CA legal or in the CA legal section .
We do not list in the item description that we offer options to modify the item in any way .

I guess that answers that.