AK M10 DIY kit FFL issue

[Hgobunsuy]

Sorry if I'm in the wrong forum.

I recently purchased this and had it shipped to my local FFL

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/ak-47-rifle-m10-762-diy

They are saying it's an assault weapon and can't dros it to me and they have to ship it back. They state it can be fired in its current configuration and that's why it's an AW. It doesn't have a stock, grip, or muzzle device. Can you guys verify if that correct? I was told it's considered a barreled receiver and should be transferred fine.

Thanks for any input, it is greatly appreciated.

[SkyHawk]

Sorry if I'm in the wrong forum.

I recently purchased this and had it shipped to my local FFL

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/ak-47-rifle-m10-762-diy

They are saying it's an assault weapon and can't dros it to me and they have to ship it back. They state it can be fired in its current configuration and that's why it's an AW. It doesn't have a stock, grip, or muzzle device. Can you guys verify if that correct? I was told it's considered a barreled receiver and should be transferred fine.

Thanks for any input, it is greatly appreciated.

That is not a barreled action, that is a complete gun, just without furniture.

If it is not 30" long in the configuration it shipped in, and it can be fired, then the FFL is correct. It is AW. It looks too short to me. And it looks fully functional. If it had a buttstock attached it would be fine.


EDIT: - it may be a legal Title 1 firearm, but the CA dealer cannot DROS those yet? (see the Franklin Title 1 threads for more info)

[Maulerrr]

Atlantic should've removed the fire control group ahead of time. They shipped my DIY without a fcg and that's how my FFL would accept the transfer. If the FCG is installed, then yeah it's an AW

[Hgobunsuy]

I was wondering if the info in the following thread was incorrect of if the laws have changed since then. This is where I found out about the M10 kit.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum//showthread.php?t=1519136&styleid=6&styleid=6

[SkyHawk]

I was wondering if the info in the following thread was incorrect of if the laws have changed since then. This is where I found out about the M10 kit.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum//show...id=6&styleid=6

Nothing changed. Someone in that thread asked the million dollar question, and no one answered him.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum//showpost.php?p=22798932&postcount=17

Won’t min length be an issue? 30” OAL

[Hgobunsuy]

Nothing changed. Someone in that thread asked the million dollar question, and no one answered him.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum//show...2&postcount=17

Thanks. I saw that question as well and never looked back into it

[SkyHawk]

There could be an argument made that it is not a rifle, because it has no buttstock. (pretty obvious I guess). But that may only matter to the feds. So what does that make it exactly?

It might be legal without a buttstock, if over 26", even in CA. Aka a Title 1 firearm. I may have been mistaken earlier saying it was AW. We would need to know the length as it shipped, to say for sure.

But the problem may be that the CA dealer cannot DROS it - much like the Franklin Title 1. It is not a handgun and not a rifle, and not a frame only. Those are the only options a dealer has to DROS.


Anyhow, this could have all been avoided if it was sent it as a barreled action and not a working gun. They should have mailed you all the receiver parts separately.

[kcheung2]

This is why before you ship something, always check with the chosen FFL first to be sure they are comfortable with it.

[Hgobunsuy]

This is why before you ship something, always check with the chosen FFL first to be sure they are comfortable with it.

Yeah. Every experience is a learning lesson. I always use them for my pistols and ar lowers so I didn't even think of double checking before ordering this.

[Oldmandan]

This is the same as DROSing a FAL barreled upper receiver? Isn’t it?

[Sicarius]

Nope because a barreled fal upper has no fcg.
Kevin

[ar15barrels]

Sorry if I'm in the wrong forum.

I recently purchased this and had it shipped to my local FFL

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/ak-47-rifle-m10-762-diy

They are saying it's an assault weapon and can't dros it to me and they have to ship it back. They state it can be fired in its current configuration and that's why it's an AW. It doesn't have a stock, grip, or muzzle device. Can you guys verify if that correct? I was told it's considered a barreled receiver and should be transferred fine.

Thanks for any input, it is greatly appreciated.

Sounds like the FFL is considering it a rifle even though it has no stock.
It would be MUCH easier if it did not come into the state with a fire control group installed because then you could just call it a barreled action.
With the fire control group installed, that thing is a fully functioning firearm.
Since it's semi-auto and NOT a pistol(barrel length 16" or more), it's a semi-auto rifle under 30" long according to CA state as the state currently considers anything with a rifled barrel and a barrel longer than 16" to be a rifle for purposes of transfer.
That makes it an AW in the eyes of the state and this explains why your dealer is behaving as such.

[E Michael]

[ar15barrels]

Wouldn’t it be nice if you could just give them a stock to throw on it before the DROS

You mean before it crossed into CA right?
Like maybe the UPS driver could have stopped just before the CA border and opened the box and installed the stock before the UPS truck continued into CA?

[Maulerrr]

You mean before it crossed into CA right?
Like maybe the UPS driver could have stopped just before the CA border and opened the box and installed the stock before the UPS truck continued into CA?

Atlantic probably would have done it for you if you bought some furniture from them. In my experience with them, they're always happy and willing to attach this and remove that it makes the gun transferrable and CA compliant