Need advice...

[Bushwack44]

Not sure which forum to ask this question...

I have an M&P15 Sport II I'd like to sell. In today's legal environment, am I selling (advertising) just the lower (and including a complete upper for free)?

[BB-AR]

[W.R.Buchanan]

Sell it out of state. much easier.

Randy

[rayrayz]

Yup, PITA just to sell!

Either convert to featureless or sell the lower sans upper and stock ( leave the buffer tube in). Out of state sales is another option.

$500 lower with free parts...��

[Bushwack44]

Yup, PITA just to sell!

Either convert to featureless or sell the lower sans upper and stock ( leave the buffer tube in). Out of state sales is another option.

$500 lower with free parts...��

Yep - I think that's the route to go.

Can't the lower be sold as is if its been registered with the state?

[kcheung2]

What specifically do you mean by registered? The recent registration, or when you initially bought the gun? Because if it's registered as an AW, that lower can't be sold in CA at all.

[Bushwack44]

What specifically do you mean by registered? The recent registration, or when you initially bought the gun? Because if it's registered as an AW, that lower can't be sold in CA at all.

So...an M&P15 Sport II, bought in 2016 and registered as an AW in 2018, can't be sold in CA? If so, that means either I'm buried with it or sell it to someone from out of state.

Which now brings me to a second question. I was going to buy a competed AR10 lower from Turners. No bullet button but a pistol grip (https://www.turners.com/aero-precisi...in-comp-662196). I know if I buy it, I go through DROS. But at the same time, does it also go through the AW registration process? If the answer is yes, then I'm better off just buying a stripped lower, correct?

[Tere_Hanges]

So...an M&P15 Sport II, bought in 2016 and registered as an AW in 2018, can't be sold in CA? If so, that means either I'm buried with it or sell it to someone from out of state.

Which now brings me to a second question. I was going to buy a competed AR10 lower from Turners. No bullet button but a pistol grip (https://www.turners.com/aero-precisi...in-comp-662196). I know if I buy it, I go through DROS. But at the same time, does it also go through the AW registration process? If the answer is yes, then I'm better off just buying a stripped lower, correct?

Oh brother, somebody want to try and untangle this?

1. A RAW is yours for life. Thats why everyone has been crapping their pants for the last couple of years trying to decide to register or convert to "featureless". You totally missed the memo.

2. No firearm acquired after 1/1/17 can be registered as an AW. That ship sailed a long time ago, almost a year and a half ago in fact. The complete firearm had to be in your hands BEFORE 1/1/17. Again, BEFORE 1/1/17. Did I say it had to be in your hands BEFORE 1/1/17? Yeah, I did, it was BEFORE 1/1/17. What year is it now? 2018, right? 2018 is well AFTER 1/1/17. And when did you have to have possession? BEFORE 1/1/17. Does that compute?

[Bushwack44]

Oh brother, somebody want to try and untangle this?

1. A RAW is yours for life. Thats why everyone has been crapping their pants for the last couple of years trying to decide to register or convert to "featureless". You totally missed the memo.

2. No firearm acquired after 1/1/17 can be registered as an AW. That ship sailed a long time ago, almost a year and a half ago in fact. The complete firearm had to be in your hands BEFORE 1/1/17. Again, BEFORE 1/1/17. Did I say it had to be in your hands BEFORE 1/1/17? Yeah, I did, it was BEFORE 1/1/17. What year is it now? 2018, right? 2018 is well AFTER 1/1/17. And when did you have to have possession? BEFORE 1/1/17. Does that compute?

No need to be a jerk. You didn't answer my questions - you just got on your pulpit and belched.

[Tere_Hanges]

No need to be a jerk. You didn't answer my questions - you just got on your pulpit and belched.

Oh geez youre a lost cause. If you dont see how my response applies to you than youre more trouble to bother with. Maybe somebody else can help you cause you need a lot of help. More low hanging fruit for the DOJ goons to pick off. Youre really going to make it easy for them too. I'm sure they will be more than happy for you to mouth off to them. Your username is very fitting. You are setting yourself up to get bushwacked.

[AregularGuy]

No need to be a jerk. You didn't answer my questions - you just got on your pulpit and belched.

Hi. I'm not sure that cav is trying to be a jerk. Maybe. But it must be made completely clear to anyone else that is contemplating buying or building a semi auto rifle, AR 15 or
10 pattern, that at this point they cannot attempt to register this rifle as an AW. That is, unless they want a visit from the DOJ and a world of trouble.

[Quiet]

Not sure which forum to ask this question...

I have an M&P15 Sport II I'd like to sell. In today's legal environment, am I selling (advertising) just the lower (and including a complete upper for free)?

Since semi-auto firearms with "bullet button" style magazine locks are now considered assault weapons, starting 01-01-2017, it is illegal (felony) to advertise them for sale while in CA.

Therefore, if your semi-auto centerfire rifle has a "bullet button" style magazine lock it needs to be modified so that it is no longer considered an assault weapon.

This can be done by doing one of the following:
A. Making it into a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine.
B. Making it into a featureless semi-auto centerfire rifle.
C. Making it into a rimfire rifle.
D. Making it into a manually operated (bolt/lever/pump) rifle.
E. Disassemble it into parts and never assemble them while in CA.

So...an M&P15 Sport II, bought in 2016 and registered as an AW in 2018, can't be sold in CA? If so, that means either I'm buried with it or sell it to someone from out of state.

Legally a RAW can only be sold to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit or to an out-of-state buyer through an out-of-state FFL dealer.

If the registered owner of a RAW dies, then the executor of the owner' estate has 90 days to do one of the following:
A. Sell it to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit.
B. Take it out-of-state for storage on behalf of the inheritor.
C. Take it out-of-state to transfer it through an out-of-state FFL dealer.
D. Surrender it to law enforcement for destruction.

Which now brings me to a second question. I was going to buy a competed AR10 lower from Turners. No bullet button but a pistol grip (https://www.turners.com/aero-precisi...in-comp-662196). I know if I buy it, I go through DROS. But at the same time, does it also go through the AW registration process? If the answer is yes, then I'm better off just buying a stripped lower, correct?

Nope.
Assault weapons registration is a different process than standard firearm registration.

Only semi-auto firearms with "bullet button" style magazine locks that were legally acquired from 2001-2016 are eligible to be registered as an assault weapon before 07-01-2018.

A receiver that is acquired in 2017-2018 will be registered via the DROS process as a "long gun, rifle, receiver" and it is not eligible to register as an assault weapon.
^Using that receiver to make a semi-auto firearm with a "bullet button" style magazine lock is considered (felony) manufacture of an illegal assault weapon and submitting it to be registered as an assault weapon is documenting the illegal manufacture.

[kcheung2]

DROS is NOT the same as AW registration. AW registration is owner-initiated, the state doesn't do it for you.

[Dvrjon]

So...an M&P15 Sport II, bought in 2016 and registered as an AW in 2018, can't be sold in CA? If so, that means either I'm buried with it or sell it to someone from out of state.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=30600.

30600.
(a) Any person who, within this state, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, distributes, transports, or imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any assault weapon or any .50 BMG rifle, except as provided by this chapter, is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for four, six, or eight years

Which now brings me to a second question. I was going to buy a competed AR10 lower from Turners. No bullet button but a pistol grip (https://www.turners.com/aero-precisi...in-comp-662196). I know if I buy it, I go through DROS. But at the same time, does it also go through the AW registration process? If the answer is yes, then I'm better off just buying a stripped lower, correct?

You should not buy this.

[sfe187]

Since semi-auto firearms with "bullet button" style magazine locks are now considered assault weapons, starting 01-01-2017, it is illegal (felony) to advertise them for sale while in CA.

Therefore, if your semi-auto centerfire rifle has a "bullet button" style magazine lock it needs to be modified so that it is no longer considered an assault weapon.

This can be done by doing one of the following:
A. Making it into a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine.
B. Making it into a featureless semi-auto centerfire rifle.
C. Making it into a rimfire rifle.
D. Making it into a manually operated (bolt/lever/pump) rifle.
E. Disassemble it into parts and never assemble them while in CA.


Legally a RAW can only be sold to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit or to an out-of-state buyer through an out-of-state FFL dealer.

If the registered owner of a RAW dies, then the executor of the owner' estate has 90 days to do one of the following:
A. Sell it to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit.
B. Take it out-of-state for storage on behalf of the inheritor.
C. Take it out-of-state to transfer it through an out-of-state FFL dealer.
D. Surrender it to law enforcement for destruction.


Nope.
Assault weapons registration is a different process than standard firearm registration.

Only semi-auto firearms with "bullet button" style magazine locks that were legally acquired from 2001-2016 are eligible to be registered as an assault weapon before 07-01-2018.

A receiver that is acquired in 2017-2018 will be registered via the DROS process as a "long gun, rifle, receiver" and it is not eligible to register as an assault weapon.
^Using that receiver to make a semi-auto firearm with a "bullet button" style magazine lock is considered (felony) manufacture of an illegal assault weapon and submitting it to be registered as an assault weapon is documenting the illegal manufacture.

Just want to say Thank You Quiet for explaining this for the 100th time. I appreciate that fact that you have patience. This place is valuable ONLY if you actually invest the time and READ what has been going on in the gun world. Even those that don't invest the time, you are still there to explain again. I appreciate ya.