Open Carry Rifles

[tombinghamthegreat]

Yes it legal to open carry a long gun and conceal them(or guitar party). I would prefer to conceal long guns at this moment in time.

[Sean Vax]

especially with what happened in the last few days. LEOs may be inclined to fire first and ask questions later. Repercussions wont mean dick when the media turns them into the hero of the day for taking out a lone gunmen or worse, a group.
four officers just got killed by an "assault rifle" in oakland and you want to open carry a rifle?

Correction: Four officers were just killed by a black criminal who used an illegally owned "assault rifle."

[supermario]

What if you saw 85% of people carrying?

85% i wouldnt be scared, its the LONE gunman that is scary
But i get your point, i can see the pros and cons, personally i would like to open carry where i live. There is high gang activity in Glassell Park, this neighborood has been on the news alot lately. Having a gun by myside would be make me feel safer, but then again i have went this long just avoiding the trouble. Well there are pros and cons to open carry unloaded handgun, but i definitely see no reason to open carry a long gun. Thats just asking for it in my opinion.

[dchang0]

What if you saw 85% of people carrying?

+1000.

This is where I'm coming from. I grew up in Alabama where almost every pickup truck had rifles in rifle racks and it was fairly common to see a guy walking down the street with a long gun, usually a shotgun broken open, slung casually over his shoulder.

Exposure to guns and knives made it the norm. Nowadays, friends get scared when I pull out my folding pocketknife, and these are FRIENDS, who know I'd never harm them. When did people get to be such cowards? Or, a better question is, when did people stop learning to judge INTENT of a person and begin focusing on the implement/tool? When did people begin to take the deer in the headlights response to a simple pocketknife?

I mean, there's a world of difference between a bunch of guys walking down the street at night and a bunch of guys trying nonchalantly to encircle you. People have lost the ability to read intent from nonverbal cues.

Sadly, I went back to my hometown recently, and now no one has guns out in the open. This happened slowly over time as more and more individual gun owners chose to not "poke the bear" and kept their guns hidden away, until the number of open-carries fell under critical mass and no-guns-visible became the norm.

[supermario]

Correction: Four officers were just killed by a black criminal who used an illegally owned "assault rifle."

I would edit how that is worded, some people may think it sounds bad.

[proudamerican831]

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[Sean Vax]

I would edit how that is worded, some people may think it sounds bad.

Some people can think whatever they want about it, the truth is the truth and how I edit my post won't change what happened.

I do have to apologize for being off-topic though.

[supermario]

+1000.

This is where I'm coming from. I grew up in Alabama where almost every pickup truck had rifles in rifle racks and it was fairly common to see a guy walking down the street with a long gun, usually a shotgun broken open, slung casually over his shoulder.

Exposure to guns and knives made it the norm. Nowadays, friends get scared when I pull out my folding pocketknife, and these are FRIENDS, who know I'd never harm them. When did people get to be such cowards? Or, a better question is, when did people stop learning to judge INTENT of a person and begin focusing on the implement/tool? When did people begin to take the deer in the headlights response to a simple pocketknife?

I mean, there's a world of difference between a bunch of guys walking down the street at night and a bunch of guys trying nonchalantly to encircle you. People have lost the ability to read intent from nonverbal cues.

+1, I can understand, but when you live in an area where probably 50% of the people are bad people, then you can be judgemental. I work out of state often, and when i see the pickup trucks with shotguns and or i have even seen an Ar, it doesnt bother me at all, But you just have to take everything into consideration, including the neighborhood. Come walk to the local grocery store in a bad part of East L.A. and see if you were to feel comfortable seeing a lone man walking down the street. Last time i saw a guy on the street with a gun, he was shooting at a car full of gang members, while me and the family were just trying to pick up pizza. My wife picked up kids from sitters and minutes later, a lone guy shooting it it out with a group of gang members, her sisters car radiator was struck by a bullet. My niece has a mustang that has a bullet hole in the front fender, just caught a stray bullet. Anyways, the environment is everything and when you live in a bad environment, you have to pay close attention to all that are carrying guns. Now if i saw a gun walking around the a handgun in a holster, i wouldnt even blink twice. Presentation is everything and Environment. I have been around this all my life and usually can judge the good from the bad. But its not easy to just look away from a person with a gun, unless you grow up in a nicer area where people were allowed to carry all their lives..

[supermario]

Some people can think whatever they want about it, the truth is the truth and how I edit my post won't change what happened.

I do have to apologize for being off-topic though.

Oops, i didnt mean edit your post that way.. Sorry

[xrMike]

I would edit how that is worded, some people may think it sounds bad.

I know I do! It's horrible when people improperly use the term "assault rifle".

In reality, that black guy didn't have an "assault rifle". That black guy had a "center fire, semi-automatic, military pattern" rifle.

[dchang0]

+1, I can understand, but when you live in an area where probably 50% of the people are bad people, then you can be judgemental. I work out of state often, and when i see the pickup trucks with shotguns and or i have even seen an Ar, it doesnt bother me at all, But you just have to take everything into consideration, including the neighborhood. Come walk to the local grocery store in a bad part of East L.A. and see if you were to feel comfortable seeing a lone man walking down the street. Last time i saw a guy on the street with a gun, he was shooting at a car full of gang members, while me and the family were just trying to pick up pizza. My wife picked up kids from sitters and minutes later, a lone guy shooting it it out with a group of gang members, her sisters car radiator was struck by a bullet. My niece has a mustang that has a bullet hole in the front fender, just caught a stray bullet. Anyways, the environment is everything and when you live in a bad environment, you have to pay close attention to all that are carrying guns. Now if i saw a gun walking around the a handgun in a holster, i wouldnt even blink twice. Presentation is everything and Environment. I have been around this all my life and usually can judge the good from the bad. But its not easy to just look away from a person with a gun, unless you grow up in a nicer area where people were allowed to carry all their lives..

You make a good point. Environment IS important, but the big problem here is that people (in general) are getting mentally lazy and avoiding the hard work of examining individual circumstances.

It is very mentally easy to issue blanket statements such as:

All people in bad neighborhoods are dangerous.
All people carrying guns openly are about to commit a crime.
All gun owners are going to commit crimes.

Although environment is crucial to consider when evaluating a potential threat, it is easy for left-wingers (who generally believe "criminals are a product of their environment" and "it takes a village to raise a child") to diffuse responsibility away from the individual, saying that a criminal commits a crime not because it's his/her own decision but because we collectively made him/her a criminal. Leaning too heavily on the "environment" leads easily to creating moral hazards.

During my college years, I was flat broke and lived in a particularly slummy part of Pasadena. Since I didn't have a car and had to walk everywhere, I was frequently harassed and even attacked. Sure, the environment mattered, but I had to develop a very keen sense of my surroundings and the intent/potential-threat of each individual. The lazy way out would be to simply mark everybody in a bad neighborhood as being bad and simply treat them ALL as threats, but then I'd be no different than the guys who want to ban our guns.

[steven_m64]

...When did people get to be such cowards? Or, a better question is, when did people stop learning to judge INTENT of a person and begin focusing on the implement/tool?

when the media started to have its collective head up its own butt and politicians working with them.

Gun violence on the streets?:
blame guns and turn it into the icon and cause of the problem not the true harder to solve problems of gang violence and drugs.

its a lot more easy for a politician to look like hes doing something good when its a small defined target to fight such as guns.

whats sad is the same sort of crap is starting with video games, Violence among youths?:
Blame the violet video games!
never mind the fact that some borderline retarded violent video games is just fantasy violence and has little to no ties to real life or the fact that violent individuals themselves would be drawn to violent video games since that is what they are interested in.

hell every nerd i know who plays violent games would probably crap themselves and run away if any real violent situations happen with them.

its all just too easy to vilify objects and redirect attention from the bigger issues.