Ruger 9mm takedown that can accept Glock mags

[k1dude]

This thing is going to be all kinds of fun. I want one with a wood stock. With the modular construction, including the drop in mag wells, a wood stock should be no problem. Couldn't do that with the PC9. Anyone know if you could just drop it into a 10/22 stock? That would be ideal.

And although I agree that 10mm would be pretty cool, I'm sort of thinking .357 Sig. If they ever make it in .40, you could get one of those, a 9mm barrel, have the 9mm chamber reamed out for .357 Sig, and presto, you've got a .357 Sig! I'm thinking they are going to make it in .40 before they do a 10mm.

They'd be foolish to do a .40 before a 10mm since you can usually shoot .40 out of a 10mm.

In other words, if you make it a 10mm, you get a .40 too.

[I Swan]

Why can't the carbine be set up for 9mm 1911 mags?

Probably would not sell well. Most people will want the ability to use double stack magazines holding much more than the 9-10 rounds in a 1911 9x19 magazine.

[SandHill]

They'd be foolish to do a .40 before a 10mm since you can usually shoot .40 out of a 10mm.

In other words, if you make it a 10mm, you get a .40 too.

Foolish, huh? Let's look at the evidence:

1. Glocks can shoot .40 out of a 10mm. They do it by holding the rim in the extractor since the .40 is too short to head space properly in a 10mm chamber.
Although there are plenty of people on here who will tell you it works just fine, this practice is not endorsed by Glock. Its not like shooting .38 Special out if a .357 revolver. Ruger would be fooolish to trot out a 10mm and say: "Use it for .40 also." One mishap and the lawyers would put them out of business.

2. There are "lots" more shooters of .40 in this country than 10mm. Statistics are hard to find, like everything else gun related, but the delta is probably 50x.

3. To make a 10mm, they are going to have to beef up the bolt a lot, at a minimum, and probably other parts as well. This will add weight and decrease the appeal of a handy, light carbine.

So Ruger marketing might take a different view of what is "foolish." Of course, if they are foolish enough to put one out in 10mm, I'll probably be foolish enough to buy that one too! Be pretty cool to share mages with my G20SF (that I never run .40 out of).

[k1dude]

Foolish, huh? Let's look at the evidence:

1. Glocks can shoot .40 out of a 10mm. They do it by holding the rim in the extractor since the .40 is too short to head space properly in a 10mm chamber.
Although there are plenty of people on here who will tell you it works just fine, this practice is not endorsed by Glock. Its not like shooting .38 Special out if a .357 revolver. Ruger would be fooolish to trot out a 10mm and say: "Use it for .40 also." One mishap and the lawyers would put them out of business.

2. There are "lots" more shooters of .40 in this country than 10mm. Statistics are hard to find, like everything else gun related, but the delta is probably 50x.

3. To make a 10mm, they are going to have to beef up the bolt a lot, at a minimum, and probably other parts as well. This will add weight and decrease the appeal of a handy, light carbine.

So Ruger marketing might take a different view of what is "foolish." Of course, if they are foolish enough to put one out in 10mm, I'll probably be foolish enough to buy that one too! Be pretty cool to share mages with my G20SF (that I never run .40 out of).

You're talking about liability issues. I'm talking about common practice.

The 10mm is also far more potent than other common factory semi-auto pistol cartridges, which makes it a perfect candidate for a carbine.

In addition, there's virtually no competition out there for a 10mm carbine. There's a whole lot of competition for a .40 carbine. I think it'd be a smart move by Ruger.

And no, I personally don't shoot .40 out of my 10mm's. But I know it's a common practice.

[crufflers]

Yeah you definitely cannot count on shooting .40 out of a Ruger 10mm carbine... Ruger only has an auto 10mm in the SR 1911 line IIRC... and one in revolvers I think. Not that they could not release a carbine in 10mm that came with the SR 1911 mag insert and also came with a Glock 10mm insert.

I've always thought ballistics of cartridges like .357 Mag and .44 Mag out of lever guns were great. A 10mm would be interesting, but most will probably be happy with a 9mm carbine. I don't think .40 would be that popular either (compared to 9mm).

Definitely would be a bummer to pickup a 9mm and feel 7 pounds and compare to a 10mm and feel 10 pounds. Similar to the differences between the LCR .38+P and a .357 version or 9mm version going from alloy to steel... it'd be significant IMHO. 10mm fans would buy one, but who knows what those numbers would look like... the 9mm is going to explode off shelves.

I'd like as many options as possible of course.

If nothing materializes you could always spring for a JR Carbine "Safe Act" Thordsen stocked 10mm.

[denpython]

Probably would not sell well. Most people will want the ability to use double stack magazines holding much more than the 9-10 rounds in a 1911 9x19 magazine.

So mechanically there is no deterrent? Hypothetically, some after market "adapter" could be produced?
Thanks.

[I Swan]

So mechanically there is no deterrent? Hypothetically, some after market "adapter" could be produced?
Thanks.

Hard to say I haven't seen the gun in person. Might not be possible since gun is set up for double stack magazines.

[DrewN]

Is this +P+ rated?

[JackRydden224]

[ProperModulation]

I've got one reserved there as well. I need to ask about the price as I was told it was $569. I didn't know about the pre-sale price and was in a hurry so I didn't ask many questions .

[Go Navy]

It's interesting how this thread devolved into a discussion of 10mm. My b.s. meter is flashing yellow.

Let's see now: a carbine in 9mm is not ok, because it's a pistol caliber. A carbine in .30 Carbine is not ok, because it is a carbine caliber. A carbine in .40 or 10mm is ok, because it is a pistol caliber. Huh?

And, we are told that you don't gain anything by shooting a pistol caliber round out of a longer barrel......UNLESS it is anything else but 9mm, so if it is "bigger" than 9mm you gain lots and lots!

And while we're at it, let's criticize and dismiss .30 carbine, even though it hits with the energy of a .357mag at 50 yards if not longer. Yes, I own an M1 Carbine.

The reason there are few 10mm options is that very few want 10mm, and those who don't want that round includes the FBI.

If what you want is a bullet with a big diameter above all else, go ahead and shoot .45 acp, .454 Casull, .50 Desert Eagle, or 10mm. You can kill pickup trucks and blow down doors. Better yet, get a 12 gauge with a rifled barrel, cut the barrel and stock, and shoot slugs. Then you can remind us that bigger is better.

[robodeer]

9mm and .45 would be nice. Wood stock, please.

[Lead Waster]

Why can't the carbine be set up for 9mm 1911 mags?

9mm 1911 mags barely work in 1911s!!

[johnwin84]

You're talking about liability issues. I'm talking about common practice.

The 10mm is also far more potent than other common factory semi-auto pistol cartridges, which makes it a perfect candidate for a carbine.

In addition, there's virtually no competition out there for a 10mm carbine. There's a whole lot of competition for a .40 carbine. I think it'd be a smart move by Ruger.

And no, I personally don't shoot .40 out of my 10mm's. But I know it's a common practice.

High point is coming out with one model 1095ts

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[denpython]

I might have to get one of these puppies. Sounds like fun. I wonder how the 9mm performs at 100 yds.

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