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  • #16
    Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Originally posted by Dvrjon
    Interesting that you edited his statement to take issue with it.

    The question I would then pose to you is, "Can you build a featured rifle tomorrow, with a fixed mag, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION?"

    I'm gonna bet the answer is "no".
    He posted that before I edited my post to add the bolded part.
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • #17
      edgerly779
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Aug 2009
      • 19871

      It can be registered just not as an AW

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      • #18
        jimbo74
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2014
        • 2923

        Originally posted by Dvrjon
        Interesting that you edited his statement to take issue with it.

        The question I would then pose to you is, "Can you build a featured rifle tomorrow, with a fixed mag, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION?"

        I'm gonna bet the answer is "no".
        actually he edited it after I posted, realizing he made a mistake and adding that bolded part

        and as far as building a featured rifle tomorrow, if it has a fixed mag, it does not meet the classification for needing to be registered. so no, it can't be registered, as it is not an AW -- same as building a featureess
        "It is currently CA legal to modify a double-action revolver into a single-action revolver and modify a single-action revolver into a double-action revolver.

        CA DOJ BOF stance on modifying handguns only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols.
        ^It does not apply to revolvers, manually operated repeating pistols, and semi-auto pistols." ~~ Quiet

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        • #19
          C123K_LoadMaster
          Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 230

          Thanks. I am very impressed with the Bear Flag Defense and Mean Arms loaders.


          Originally posted by Cokebottle
          How nice of him to advise his customers that it's OK to commit a felony.

          In that case, the registration would be denied because the gun was not DROS'd to you before this year.


          That is of course a concern. Delrin pins are available that will shift the wear from the receiver to the pin.

          There are also options for top-loading without opening the assembly available from Bear Flag Defense and Mean Arms.

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          • #20
            Dvrjon
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            • Nov 2012
            • 11368

            Originally posted by Cokebottle
            He posted that before I edited my post to add the bolded part.
            Originally posted by jimbo74
            actually he edited it after I posted, realizing he made a mistake and adding that bolded part

            and as far as building a featured rifle tomorrow, if it has a fixed mag, it does not meet the classification for needing to be registered. so no, it can't be registered, as it is not an AW -- same as building a featureess
            Look, dammit. I'm old and slow. Ya'll gonna start fiddling with stuff, at least mark it to show you altered it.

            Damn kids.

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            • #21
              Cokebottle
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              • Oct 2009
              • 32373

              Originally posted by Dvrjon
              Look, dammit. I'm old and slow. Ya'll gonna start fiddling with stuff, at least mark it to show you altered it.

              Damn kids.
              My post did say "Edited" at the bottom... time of the edit should have been after his quote
              - Rich

              Originally posted by dantodd
              A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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              • #22
                Cokebottle
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                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                Originally posted by jimbo74
                actually he edited it after I posted, realizing he made a mistake and adding that bolded part
                Given the topic of the thread (registerable AW), I didn't think the comment needed full expansion.
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • #23
                  jimbo74
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 2923

                  Originally posted by Cokebottle
                  Given the topic of the thread (registerable AW), I didn't think the comment needed full expansion.
                  granted, and I don't disagree, but a lot of people rarely read the whole thread, and thus, are armed with bits and pieces of full thoughts, making it almost impossible to figure out what info is correct and incorrect

                  at this point, there are limited options (unless the lawyers can get this overturned)

                  if pre-2017, register the BB - go featureless, or fixed mag

                  if after 2017, featureless or fixed mag

                  OR be a felonious, "I am too hard for the government oppression and I ain't registering anything!"



                  EDIT: re-reading the OP's post, I think he may have some terminology or thoughts mixed up though
                  Last edited by jimbo74; 12-16-2017, 5:37 PM.
                  "It is currently CA legal to modify a double-action revolver into a single-action revolver and modify a single-action revolver into a double-action revolver.

                  CA DOJ BOF stance on modifying handguns only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols.
                  ^It does not apply to revolvers, manually operated repeating pistols, and semi-auto pistols." ~~ Quiet

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                  • #24
                    Cokebottle
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                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32373

                    ^^^^ This
                    - Rich

                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                    • #25
                      rustyx
                      Member
                      • May 2017
                      • 307

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                      • #26
                        Librarian
                        Admin and Poltergeist
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 44682

                        Originally posted by rustyx
                        Isn’t the BB considered an evil feature in itself now?
                        No.

                        A BB no longer satisfies to create a 'fixed magazine' under the 2017 definition at 30515
                        (b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.
                        The BB device itself is neutral. Have 3 if you like.
                        ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                        Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                        • #27
                          rustyx
                          Member
                          • May 2017
                          • 307

                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          No.

                          The BB device itself is neutral. Have 3 if you like.


                          Okay time to break out the super glue.

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                          • #28
                            Nguyen
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 3000

                            LMAOO!!!


                            "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
                            - Dianne Feinstein

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                            • #29
                              bronco75a
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2016
                              • 659

                              Originally posted by Cokebottle
                              No

                              The bullet button is not a feature, and the DOJ regs indicate that registration applications for featureless will be rejected.

                              Further, it has been illegal since Jan 1 to assemble a featured build THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION AS INQUIRED ABOUT IN THIS THREAD

                              Sorry... if you really WANT to register (why?) you missed the boat by 12 months.
                              this

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