M1A Vortex- no go ?

[Electric Factory]

Am I correct in assuming that this is NOT Cali-legal for the M1A ?

[Jpach]

you are correct if you do not put a mag lock on your M1A. Doesnt it suck?

[ke6guj]

The vortex is marketed as a flash hider, so if you wanted to use it on an m1a, you'd have to go fixed-mag.

[tommyid1]

thats a wierd *** looking vortex... older version or something? whats with the groove on the end?

[diddler]

thats a wierd *** looking vortex... older version or something? whats with the groove on the end?

Kind of looks like you could install some kind of snap ring around the end, to keep tree branches and brush from getting caught in the prongs of the hider.

[Blacktail 8541]

No GO, Flash suppesor. You would have to fix the mag and why would you want to do that.

[lazuris]

honestly i like the muzzle break over the flash hider as it cuts recoil and lets you get back on target faster

[Electric Factory]

you are correct if you do not put a mag lock on your M1A. Doesnt it suck?

Of all the discriminatory, pointless and childish Cali firearms restrictions this one irks me the most. What the_____ does a muzzle break OR flash hider have to do with ANYTHING ?

Even if you adopt the absurd mindset of Cali anti-gun politicians [ I know, my brain hurts too], how does the Vortex or any muzzle attachment figure in to the logic ?

[Librarian]

Of all the discriminatory, pointless and childish Cali firearms restrictions this one irks me the most. What the_____ does a muzzle break OR flash hider have to do with ANYTHING ?

Even if you adopt the absurd mindset of Cali anti-gun politicians [ I know, my brain hurts too], how does the Vortex or any muzzle attachment figure in to the logic ?

Ah, a mistake I have finally trained myself to avoid: using "logic" in the same sentence that refers to California laws on the subject of guns.

The "logic" is associated with the meta-subject "What will get me re-elected" rather than the face subject of the law.

One principle that may be useful, given the current state of the law: if the manufacturer of the device calls it a "flash hider" or "flash suppressor", it almost certainly will cause complications regarding the 'assault weapony-ness' of a semiautomatic rifle.

[Electric Factory]

Ah, a mistake I have finally trained myself to avoid: using "logic" in the same sentence that refers to California laws on the subject of guns.

The "logic" is associated with the meta-subject "What will get me re-elected" rather than the face subject of the law.

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I know, I get that. But let's peel a layer off the onion for just a second; assuming you are that dim witted anti gun politician for the sake of this exercise [ please forgive me], what case are you making about a flash suppressor/ hider that gets you re-elected ?

[Electric Factory]

And one other thing; we're essentially talking about marketing, yes ?
If the manufacture calls the Vortex a 'muzzle helper', we're good to go, aren't we ?
Lastly- has anyone ever heard of someone being hassled/ prosecuted by LEO for any kind of muzzle break/ flash suppressor ?

Pardon my rant ...

[jas000]

One more exception - you could put a Vortex on your M1A / M14 if it a registered assault weapon (some of us did register).

[CHS]

what case are you making about a flash suppressor/ hider that gets you re-elected ?

To the anti-gunners, the flash hider is a device that allows assault weapon owners to shoot helpless children at night without anyone seeing the flash and therefore not being able to find you. This would allow you to shoot and kill children all night long.

Politicians don't understand things like range, and muzzle reports.

[Librarian]

I know, I get that. But let's peel a layer off the onion for just a second; assuming you are that dim witted anti gun politician for the sake of this exercise [ please forgive me], what case are you making about a flash suppressor/ hider that gets you re-elected ?

"Doing something about gun violence". No, it doesn't make any sense.

Evidently "arresting and prosecuting people who commit crimes" isn't good enough for the legislators' constituent newsletters.

Don't know about the marketing aspect; the problem is, the Legislature did not even try to define a suppressor/hider (possibly a wise decision), nor does DOJ in CCR, and so they leave us guessing.

At this point, I don't think renaming the Vortex Flash Suppressor/Eliminator to "The Fluffy-bunny Gentle Muzzle Brake" is going to be convincing, so just marketing might not be the whole answer.

But besides the Vortex, Smith Enterprises sells muzzle brakes; it's pretty clear that Smith thinks there's a difference, and I think it would be wise to accept their technical knowledge on the subject - or, at least argue that way to a DA.