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  • vegaj46
    Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 209

    Serial numbering question

    Sorry if this is another thing still up in the air but when you put a serial number on an 80% lower as now required (I think) do you then register that serial number with the ATF? This sh*t is just so confusing and I'm trying to stay on the right side of the law here.


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    oc16
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 1055

    its california atf wont care if you make a 80% without a number you need to request it from the doj.
    retreat! we must go comrade we will fight again another day.

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    • #3
      Drew Eckhardt
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1918

      Originally posted by vegaj46
      Sorry if this is another thing still up in the air but when you put a serial number on an 80% lower as now required (I think) do you then register that serial number with the ATF?
      You don't register it with anybody provided
      • You're not using it to register a California Assault Weapon after DOJ pushes new regulations requiring them to assign a number to your home build firearm.
      • You don't wait until after July 1, 2018 at which point as of January 1, 2019 you must engrave a DOJ assigned serial number.
      Last edited by Drew Eckhardt; 02-21-2017, 12:20 PM.

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      • #4
        Drew Eckhardt
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 1918

        Originally posted by oc16
        its california atf wont care if you make a 80% without a number you need to request it from the doj.
        Not yet.

        PC 23910
        (b) Commencing July 1, 2018, prior to manufacturing or assembling a firearm, a person manufacturing or assembling the firearm shall do all of the following:
        (1) Apply to the Department of Justice for a unique serial number or other mark of identification pursuant to Section 29182.
        ...
        (c) By January 1, 2019, any person who, as of July 1, 2018, owns a firearm that does not bear a serial number assigned to it pursuant to either Section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, shall do all of the following:

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        • #5
          vegaj46
          Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 209

          Originally posted by Drew Eckhardt
          You don't register it with anybody provided
          • You're not using it to register a California Assault Weapon after DOJ pushes new regulations requiring them to assign a number to your home build firearm.
          • You don't wait until after July 1, 2018 at which point as of January 1, 2019 you must engrave a DOJ assigned serial number.


          So if done before the date listed you put a serial number on it and don't need to report it to anyone? Seems like it's pointless, but that wouldn't surprise me


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          • #6
            familyfarm
            Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 356

            This is one of many areas that are up in the air. No one is sure.

            Looks like you cannot get any home-made serial registered as an "AW."

            If you make something that is not a "AW", you may need to voluntarily register it so it appears in a database by the time the new law hits on 7/1/2018 as above. Thats what some are saying. Other folks think you can just apply a number and do nothing as long as you do it before 7/1/2018. Intelligent minds differ on wtf will be the interpretation by the DOJ. No one can predict them...as we have seen.

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            • #7
              edgerly779
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Aug 2009
              • 19871

              Lots of fud no one knows yet. Serialize and oplaw if you want.

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              • #8
                vegaj46
                Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 209

                Originally posted by familyfarm
                This is one of many areas that are up in the air. No one is sure.



                Looks like you cannot get any home-made serial registered as an "AW."



                If you make something that is not a "AW", you may need to voluntarily register it so it appears in a database by the time the new law hits on 7/1/2018 as above. Thats what some are saying. Other folks think you can just apply a number and do nothing as long as you do it before 7/1/2018. Intelligent minds differ on wtf will be the interpretation by the DOJ. No one can predict them...as we have seen.


                Yeah that's what it seems like. I wasn't sure if this had been ironed out yet. I don't want to put a serial number on it and then have to figure out how to change it later. I'm planning to put a maglock on this one to avoid aw anyway.


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                • #9
                  glock_this
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 8225

                  On a side note.. my 80% lower, I had my own personal serial number engraved underneath the permanent trigger guard just for myself so that I can prove it's my weapon. I don't intend to register and I don't intend to add any more engraving to this weapon.
                  10 +1 in the chamber

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