Ledesma Arms Featureless California Compliance Conversion Kit

[varanidguy]

Actually I managed kind of a crappy one but I think you can see. That's where your hand naturally rests when you grip.

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[varanidguy]

In contrast to a normal pistol grip.

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[SloChicken]

It's practically at a perfect 45 degree angle, as advertised. It's hard to take it one handed while holding the lower but, at that angle, the webbing of your hand is definitely above the trigger line. I might ask the wife to take some pictures when she can of the grip. It definitely feels more like a standard rifle grip but it's not uncomfortable at all.

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The web between your thumb and index finger must be ABOVE the top of the trigger

It is quite obvious that the web of the hand as held would be approximately the half way point on the trigger as viewed from the top to bottom of the trigger. Ergo, not compliant.

Further, this does also meet criteria that it extends conspicuously below the action of the rifle.

[SloChicken]

Actually I managed kind of a crappy one but I think you can see. That's where your hand naturally rests when you grip.

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That is ridiculous.

There is no way that your web rides above the top of the trigger when gripped.

Basic common sense is that your web would align with the shortest point to the trigger.
This would be, as I said earlier, approximately the midpoint of the trigger as viewed from top to bottom.

Good luck with your stance in court or on the streets.

The law, and wording is quite clear on this matter.

[varanidguy]

That is ridiculous.

There is no way that your web rides above the top of the trigger when gripped.

Basic common sense is that your web would align with the shortest point to the trigger.
This would be, as I said earlier, approximately the midpoint of the trigger as viewed from top to bottom.

Good luck with your stance in court or on the streets.

The law, and wording is quite clear on this matter.

It's the same angle and grip as a Thordsen. If this isn't compliant, neither is the Thordsen.

[SloChicken]

It's the same angle and grip as a Thordsen. If this isn't compliant, neither is the Thordsen.

Again, the thordson is a stock. It is not a pistol grip

Further, whether or not the Thordsen is compliant or not is besides the point.

That grip you show, is both conspicuously below the action, and it allows the web of the hand below the top of the trigger.

How can you continue to argue these obvious realities?

[calif 15-22]

That looks like you web is below the trigger line to me. Not only that a DA could hold that rifle fen further down the Grip as he shows it to a jury.

Just my 2 cents. Even my Thordson is iffy on the webbing if you slide your hand down BUT it is a stock not a grip

Actually I managed kind of a crappy one but I think you can see. That's where your hand naturally rests when you grip.

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[varanidguy]

Again, the thordson is a stock. It is not a pistol grip

That is completely irrelevant. Plenty of stock kits with grips that are clearly a pistol-style grip that wouldn't be compliant.

[SloChicken]

That is completely irrelevant. Plenty of stock kits with grips that are clearly a pistol-style grip that wouldn't be compliant.

Yep, Like I said. What the Thordsen is, is completely irrelevant to your grip.

The Spur grip is also not compliant.

However, the fins, the MMgrip, and the HH grip are all obviously compliant.

Apply the law piece by piece and you will see (if your reading comprehension is up to the task). That is how the rest of us here have come to our conclusions. We have been doing this a very long time compared to many of you here. Maybe take a listen.

[varanidguy]

That looks like you web is below the trigger line to me. Not only that a DA could hold that rifle fen further down the Grip as he shows it to a jury.

Just my 2 cents. Even my Thordson is iffy on the webbing if you slide your hand down BUT it is a stock not a grip

It is the same grip and angle as a Thordsen. Yeah, it's pushing it, I agree...and I'm staring at it wondering about it. I will be able to get a more definitive answer on Tuesday, but given the angle and the grip, it isn't any different than a Thordsen.

[SloChicken]

That is completely irrelevant. Plenty of stock kits with grips that are clearly a pistol-style grip that wouldn't be compliant.

Curious to hear your examples for comparison.

[varanidguy]

Yep, Like I said. What the Thordsen is, is completely irrelevant to your grip.

The Spur grip is also not compliant.

However, the fins, the MMgrip, and the HH grip are all obviously compliant.

Apply the law piece by piece and you will see (if your reading comprehension is up to the task). That is how the rest of us here have come to our conclusions. We have been doing this a very long time compared to many of you here. Maybe take a listen.

lol This guy starts attacking when he cannot comprehend what I'm saying. The fact that the Thordsen is a stock and grip built into one unit is completely irrelevant. Everything else coming from you from this point is ignored as you cannot have a conversation without getting ugly.

[varanidguy]

Curious to hear your examples for comparison.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=19460266&postcount=42

[SloChicken]

lol This guy starts attacking when he cannot comprehend what I'm saying. The fact that the Thordsen is a stock and grip built into one unit is completely irrelevant. Everything else coming from you from this point is ignored as you cannot have a conversation without getting ugly.

Ugly? how so?

I am not attacking. And I think you are not comprehending what the rest of us are trying to help you to understand.
I am not adverse to calling a brick a brick however.

Sorry if it hurts.

[varanidguy]

Ugly? how so?

I am not attacking. And I think you are not comprehending what the rest of us are trying to help you to understand.
I am not adverse to calling a brick a brick however.

Sorry if it hurts.

It doesn't hurt, I don't take what strangers on the internet say personally. I just don't waste my time.