Can a CA FFL add a bullet button then transfer a rifle?

[GM4spd]

Have the seller split it apart. Send the lower to your FFL and the upper to you.
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I've done this a few times over the years. My FFL says if ONLY the lower is
sent to him it is not an AW. (Assuming this is an AR type where the lower is
the serial part.) The lower alone does not meet the legal definition of an AW.

[Scratch705]

Have the seller split it apart. Send the lower to your FFL and the upper to you.

Or both can be sent to the FFL just have to be split apart so you can do the dros as a frame/receiver.

Then you can install the bullet button after your 10 day wait and throw the upper on.

best answer.

not to take away business from middle-man FFL's that support us in CA, but dunno why more people don't do this when sending stuff into CA if it is a rifle that can be taken apart so easily like the AR.

[wagon b0y]

BB needs to be install as soon as it gets deliver to CA FFL. Everything needs to be CA compliant the moment CA the delivery guy walks though the CA FFL door. No exceptions from what I was told.

Some FFL's might not do it, but there is nothing illegal about it.

Lot of people have got SCAR's on here by having the seller break it apart and send the upper (SCAR has serial on upper) to their FFL.

You can also save sales tax doing it this, if you can have them make the invoice with just the price of the upper or lower.

[dwightlooi]

OK, let me see if I got this straight...

Here are the 100% LEGAL options:-

(1) Have the seller install the BB then send it to the local CA FFL for trasnfer.

(2) Have the seller remove the upper receiver and pistol grip from the lower recever. Send them separately. Since the grip & upperless lower is technically NOT an assault weapon (no evil feature) it is OK to transfer. I just need to install the BB before the grip and upper goes back on.

(3) Have the seller send it to a middle man (outside of California) that does one of the above.

I know all these sound utterly moronic because any criminal or terrorist wanna be can reverse them and unpin a standard cap magazine in what... 2 minutes? But, the stupidity aside am I right as far as how to stay on the right side of CA's moronic laws?

[crazychinaman]

That's California for you.

[Ubermcoupe]

OK, let me see if I got this straight...

Here are the 100% LEGAL options:-

(1) Have the seller install the BB then send it to the local CA FFL for transfer.

(2) Have the seller remove the upper receiver and pistol grip from the lower receiver. Send them separately. Since the grip & upperless lower is technically NOT an assault weapon (no evil feature) it is OK to transfer. I just need to install the BB before the grip and upper goes back on.

(3) Have the seller send it to a middle man (outside of California) that does one of the above.

I know all these sound utterly moronic because any criminal or terrorist wanna be can reverse them and unpin a standard cap magazine in what... 2 minutes? But, the stupidity aside am I right as far as how to stay on the right side of CA's moronic laws?

Correct.

Option 1 is having the seller (if willing) convert the "featured" rifle into a "featureless" or "compliant - where features don't matter via a BB (until Dec 31 2016)" version on the long gun.
Caveat: Category 1 "assault weapons" - guns on the "banned list" - are banned no matter what you do.

Option 2 is paying a middleman FFL to do the same.

It's CA - take your pick

What did you buy?

[Watercadet]

Option one is super easy and I've done it twice with AR type firearms. Both times I ordered a Radlock online and had it shipped directly to the seller. They slap it on and ship it out. Easy peasy

[dwightlooi]

Correct.

Option 1 is having the seller (if willing) convert the "featured" rifle into a "featureless" or "compliant - where features don't matter via a BB (until Dec 31 2016)" version on the long gun.
Caveat: Category 1 "assault weapons" - guns on the "banned list" - are banned no matter what you do.

Option 2 is paying a middleman FFL to do the same.

It's CA - take your pick

What did you buy?

It'll seem that having the seller separate the upper and pistol grip is even easier, no? Haven't bought it yet, but hoping to get a USED the Armalite SASS (AR-10)

[Scratch705]

It'll seem that having the seller separate the upper and pistol grip is even easier, no? Haven't bought it yet, but hoping to get a USED the Armalite SASS (AR-10)

Your option 2 is the easiest and cheapest and less hassle for seller.

The guy you quoted option 2 is for if you went with your option 1. So you can say it is option 1 part b

[EBR Works]

Option one is super easy and I've done it twice with AR type firearms. Both times I ordered a Radlock online and had it shipped directly to the seller. They slap it on and ship it out. Easy peasy

Don't forget that if the seller is an FFL, they must be willing to obtain CFLC approval to ship to a dealer in CA. Some don't want to sign up with CADOJ for this. We get these all the time, mostly Gunbroker sales.

[02Caltaco]

Why does the pistol grip even need to be removed for option 2? Is it because in this case the lower can never actually mate to a .22 upper?

[kg6mti]

Here is an offer.

If the seller will install the bullet button for you. I have a couple that I have zero use for. You pay the shipping to get the bullet button from my location to the seller and I will give you a bullet button for it for free.

I escaped the Peoples Republic of California and the first thing I did was remove the bullet buttons from my AR's.

PM me if you want to take me up on the offer.

[Ubermcoupe]

It'll seem that having the seller separate the upper and pistol grip is even easier, no? Haven't bought it yet, but hoping to get a USED the Armalite SASS (AR-10)

The seller separating the upper/lower would thus create a firearm without features - 100% legal.

Don't forget that if the seller is an FFL, they must be willing to obtain CFLC approval to ship to a dealer in CA. Some don't want to sign up with CADOJ for this. We get these all the time, mostly Gunbroker sales.

^^^ This is also very important.