Can a CA FFL add a bullet button then transfer a rifle?

[dwightlooi]

Here's the deal...

(1) I found a very nice AR10 SASS 20".
(2) It is lightly used (less than 200 rounds) and looks mint.
(3) It is NOT CA COMPLIANT.
(4) Can I buy it online, buy a BB online, have both shipped to an FFL in CA.
(5) Can the CA FFL put on BB then transfer it for the appropriate fees, taxes, etc.?

Or, can we only import rifled that are CA COMPLIANT from the factory?

[just_now]

Use this service for a middle man. Ship the rifle to New Frontier Armory and have them install the BB and then they will send it to your local FFL. All for $60.00

https://newfrontierarmory.com/shop/california-middle-man-service-rifleshotgun/

[myk]

Yes, it can be done...

[Quiet]

Here's the deal...

(1) I found a very nice AR10 SASS 20".
(2) It is lightly used (less than 200 rounds) and looks mint.
(3) It is NOT CA COMPLIANT.
(4) Can I buy it online, buy a BB online, have both shipped to an FFL in CA.
(5) Can the CA FFL put on BB then transfer it for the appropriate fees, taxes, etc.?

Or, can we only import rifled that are CA COMPLIANT from the factory?

It needs to be CA legal before being imported into CA.

Need to buy one that is already compliant or have it shipped to an out-of-state FFL that will make it compliant then ship it to CA.

[arrowshooter]

Buy a bullet button and send it to the seller to install?

[onelonehorseman]

It needs to be CA legal before being imported into CA.

Need to buy one that is already compliant or have it shipped to an out-of-state FFL that will make it compliant then ship it to CA.

Is there any reason why an FFL 07 in CA can't receive this and install the BB?

[AKSOG]

Is there any reason why an FFL 07 in CA can't receive this and install the BB?

There is a letter that the DOJ sent out to FFL's sayting they need to have a dangerous weapon permit to do this. So if the FFL has the correct DWP then they could. Otherwise it can't be shipped to them in a configuration that would classify it as a AW in Ca.

[Quiet]

Is there any reason why an FFL 07 in CA can't receive this and install the BB?

Because it is illegal.

Only a CA FFL with an assault weapons permit can legally receive an assault weapon and it is against CA regulations for a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit to modify an assault weapon into a non-assault weapon.

There is a letter that the DOJ sent out to FFL's sayting they need to have a dangerous weapon permit to do this. So if the FFL has the correct DWP then they could. Otherwise it can't be shipped to them in a configuration that would classify it as a AW in Ca.

In order to legally receive an assault weapon, the FFL needs a DWP/assault weapons permit.

If the CA FFL dealer does not have a valid DWP/assault weapons permit, then legally they can not receive the assault weapon and must immediately return it to the sender. Otherwise, it is a felony for them to receive/possess it.

[beanz2]

There is a letter that the DOJ sent out to FFL's sayting they need to have a dangerous weapon permit to do this. So if the FFL has the correct DWP then they could. Otherwise it can't be shipped to them in a configuration that would classify it as a AW in Ca.

Because it is illegal.

Only a CA FFL with an assault weapons permit can legally receive an assault weapon and it is against CA regulations for a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit to modify an assault weapon into a non-assault weapon.

Just a question to clarify please. So, the dealer has to have a DWP, and an AW dealer permit is not sufficient?

[Quiet]

Just a question to clarify please. So, the dealer has to have a DWP, and an AW dealer permit is not sufficient?

In order to obtain a DWP/assault weapons permit, you need a valid "good cause". [11 CCR 4128(c)]

Making assault weapons into non-assault weapons is not a valid good cause and doing so goes beyond the good cause of issuance for the DWP/assault weapons permit. Any activity beyond the good cause of issuance for the permit is grounds to have the permit revoked and the FFL's inventory confiscated. [11 CCR 4147(a)(2)&(3)]


11 CCR 4128
General.
(a) Except as provided in sections 30900 through 30945, 31050, 31055, and 31100 of the Penal Code, no person shall possess, transport, or sell any dangerous weapon in this state unless he/she has been granted a license and/or permit pursuant to these regulations.
(b) No license or permit shall be issued to any applicant who fails to establish good cause for such license or permit and that such license or permit would not endanger the public safety.
(c) To establish good cause, an applicant must provide the DOJ with clear and convincing evidence that there is a bona fide market or public necessity for the issuance of a dangerous weapons license or permit and that the applicant can satisfy that need without endangering public safety. Except as provided by Penal Code section 33300, good causes recognized by the DOJ to establish a bona fide necessity for issuance of dangerous weapons licenses or permits include the following:
(1) Sales to and/or manufacture for sales to law enforcement, military and/or dangerous weapon licensees/permittees.
(2) Training, research and development; and/or manufacturing pursuant to government contract.
(3) Use and/or manufacture of dangerous weapons as props in commercial motion picture, television production, or other commercial entertainment events.
(4) Possession for the purpose of maintaining a collection of destructive devices as defined in Penal Code section 16460 but such possession shall not be allowed for short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, machineguns or assault weapons.
(5) Repair and maintenance of dangerous weapons lawfully possessed by others.
(6) Use of dangerous weapons in activities sanctioned by government military agencies by members of those agencies.
(7) The sale of assault weapons and/or the manufacture of assault weapons for the sale to, purchase by, or possession of assault weapons by: the agencies listed in Penal Code section 30625, and the officers described in Penal Code section 30630; entities and persons who have been issued assault weapon permits; entities outside the state who have, in effect, a federal firearms dealer's license solely for the purpose of distribution to an entity listed herein; federal law enforcement and military agencies; law enforcement and military agencies of other states; and foreign governments and agencies approved by the United States State Department.
(8) Use of dangerous weapons for the design, manufacture, demonstration, and sales of dangerous weapons accessories to law enforcement and military agencies, qualifying peace officers, and California dangerous weapons licensee/permittees.
(d) No license or permit shall be issued to any applicant who fails to comply with local zoning restrictions or local fire-protective services regulations or ordinances.
(e) The DOJ shall provide a notice of each license or permit issued to the Chief of Police or Sheriff having jurisdiction over the licensee or permittee's location. Copies of outstanding licenses and permits shall be provided to the Chief or Sheriff of jurisdiction upon request.

11 CCR 4147
Revocation and/or Denial of Renewal of License/Permit, Reasons.
(a) A license/permit may be revoked anytime during the license/permit year when it is determined the licensee/permittee is no longer eligible, a legitimate need no longer exists, or the license/permit has been misused. Reasons for revocation of license/permit include, but are not limited to:
(1) The licensee/permittee is arrested for an offense which prohibits possession of the license/permit weapon(s).
(2) The licensee/permittee uses the weapon(s) for purposes other than licensed/permitted.
(3) The licensee/permittee fails to engage in business or violates conditions stipulated in the license/permit.
(4) The licensee/permittee fails to keep or provide records of sales and/or demonstrations, if applicable.
(5) The licensee/permittee fails to provide required security.
(6) The licensee/permittee fails to notify the DOJ of any changes in information as required in section 4139 of these regulations.
(7) The licensee/permittee violates any law punishable as a felony, or is convicted of a substantially related misdemeanor crime.
(8) Any reason which would be grounds for denial of an application pursuant to section 4146 of these regulations.

[AKSOG]

Just a question to clarify please. So, the dealer has to have a DWP, and an AW dealer permit is not sufficient?

If I'm not mistaken the 02/03 SOT is a Federal license and the DWP is a CA thing and there are various DWP's since they only cover certain firearms. It's unsurprisingly, really stupid.

[beanz2]

Thank you, Quiet and AKSOG

[wagon b0y]

Have the seller split it apart. Send the lower to your FFL and the upper to you.

Or both can be sent to the FFL just have to be split apart so you can do the dros as a frame/receiver.

Then you can install the bullet button after your 10 day wait and throw the upper on.

[icyteddy]

It needs to be CA legal before being imported into CA.

Need to buy one that is already compliant or have it shipped to an out-of-state FFL that will make it compliant then ship it to CA.

Absolutely True!! I asked two CA FFL the same questions and they both have me the same answer as you.

[icyteddy]

Have the seller split it apart. Send the lower to your FFL and the upper to you.

Or both can be sent to the FFL just have to be split apart so you can do the dros as a frame/receiver.

Then you can install the bullet button after your 10 day wait and throw the upper on.

BB needs to be install as soon as it gets deliver to CA FFL. Everything needs to be CA compliant the moment CA the delivery guy walks though the CA FFL door. No exceptions from what I was told.