Drill tips for bullet button magazine changes?

[ohsmily]

Now it seems to me that bullet buttons are only useful if honest people have them.

Looking at them it looks like i could just use a dremel of some sort and grind some metal down to the point of being able to use my finger.

HUH??? If someone was going to grind their bullet button down to the point of being able to use their finger, why wouldn't they just use a standard magazine release? I mean, if they are going to break the law, why not do it the easy way??? It would be breaking the same law. Using a standard magazine release would be much easier and perhaps even less obvious than a bullet button that has been modified with a dremel.

[trinydex]

and with all these work arounds why wouldn't people just get an mmg

sigh but pistol grips are so nice :[

[dchang0]

I found the other thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=89864&highlight=magnetic+bullet+button

Cool ideas in there...

This thread's gone a bit off track, so to pull it back on the right path, let me clarify that I'm looking for methods of improving magazine changes while operating under the constraints of a plain ol' bullet button (including the B-15, which works like a plain ol' bullet button)... Sort of like developing a "tap, rack, bang" drill for the use of a bullet button that can be repeatedly rehearsed and easily trained to new operators.

If it helps, imagine this scenario:

The S has H the F. You and a bunch of buddies band together to defend your neighborhood and assemble a cache of weapons and hole up in a strategically-located house. You and your family are having your turn at chow when a bunch of roving bandits attacks, and you grab the nearest AR as you rush to join the guys on watch. It happens to have a BB on it, and you don't have any magnetic glove, ring with nub, etc. You're in a firefight and you need to rapidly, mindlessly change the mag with just what you have in your hands: bullets, magazines, and the AR with a BB installed.

Or, there's this scenario:

You're at a tactical carbine course held in California (not Nevada, not Arizona). You have to execute magazine changes as quickly and naturally as possible on a timed course.

What steps would you do in your drill to improve your speed?

[EBR Works]

some sort of finger tool tip?

Uhh, like this:

http://www.stingerstylus.com/products/

I just bought a 3 pack and will try one at the range this weekend.

[trinydex]

I guess I'll share... I saw someone use a magnet from kinetix toys. It fits perfectly, and its the tool. It becomes the button/tool... Without it it does not work. It comes out with ease and stays in just the same. At least thats what I saw...

huh?

[DedEye]

Uhh, like this:

http://www.stingerstylus.com/products/

I just bought a 3 pack and will try one at the range this weekend.

Let me know how those work and maybe we can organize a group buy on them .

[JDay]

I'm still a little confused on the legalities of detaching a fixed magazine with a pistol grip installed, from the AR/AK memo.

To be legally safe in California, an off-list AR15-type lower receiver should never have a pistol grip or
telestock, etc. attached unless and until a nondetachable (fixed) 10-rd magazine is already affixed.
When repairing or dismantling such a rifle, features such as pistol grips, telestocks, etc. must first be
removed before removing the fixed 10-rd magazine.

AR/AK Memo

[EBR Works]

The key word is "non-detachable". With the mag out, the rifle is only able to accept a non-detachable magazine with the bullet button installed. See here:

http://www.paul.net/guns/CaliforniaRifles.pdf

[Paratus et Vigilans]

I'm still a little confused on the legalities of detaching a fixed magazine with a pistol grip installed, from the AR/AK memo.



AR/AK Memo

That part of the memo pre-dates the BB and refers to the Prince50-equipped rifle. With a Prince50, the only way to get a mag out of the rifle is to back out the set screw, and that makes it a fully operable mag release, which would make it a no-no. With the BB, you ALWAYS have to use a tool to actuate the mag release, so you can leave on the evil features when you remove the mag from a BB equipped rifle, since it can NEVER accept a "detachable magazine." Any magazine you insert in it will ALWAYS require the use of a tool to remove it. The Prince50 creates a true "fixed" mag rifle, whereas the BB creates a rifle that cannot accept a "detachable magazine." Hope that helps clear up the confusion a little bit.

[Paul]

So a screw driver is no longer a screw driver if it's tied to a jar of pickles - it's now a jar of pickles?


(Playing devil's advocate)

[Paul]

- if you cross over the border to Arizona or Nevada -

I just put mine bullet button on yesterday. Looking at it I wonder if you could take one of those stupid strong rare earth magnets - the same diameter as the hole - and the correct length to slip inside and stick out a bit to extend the button outside the shroud. This would allow you to press the magazine button and get it to work. Come back to California and just pull the magnet out.

I have a feature-less OLL rifle with a MonsterMan grip so I'm just playing with the bullet button.